Hi Everyone,

My brother-in-law has just bought a s/h A1200 as his first one went u/s.

I installed the 3.5" HDD and Magnum (Apollo) Turbo 1230 acellerator board over
to the second unit and now cannot bootup as the screen turns yellow and stops.

Replacing the board with an 8mb ram board worked OK so I assume  the Magnun is
not compatible with the unit.

The motherboard is a rev. 1.1 model. Can it be rectified to accept the Magnum
board?

Thanks

Bill

> I installed the 3.5" HDD and Magnum (Apollo) Turbo 1230 acellerator board
over
> to the second unit and now cannot bootup as the screen turns yellow and
stops.

I originally had that after installing my power typhoon. If you've got the
current AF, it tells you what the yellow screen means (something about the CPU
finding an error, I haven't got AF handy atm). However, after the yellow
screen, I got the 'Insert Floppy' screen, turned off the power, back on again,
and it booted fine. I no longer have to do the power on, power off thing
either. It just shows the yellow screen and then boots.

This is of no use to you (I don't suppose), and you may as well ignore it :)

Neil

  Good evening, everybody.

  Before deleting all the messages I've been collecting about Yam & co. f=
or a few
days, here are some conclusions ( everything being now properly reinstall=
ed )

*Yam2* : There /are /printing problems if Turboprint 6 is running; the be=
st thing
is not to remove it, but to ( quoting Marcel Beck ) "load the file *.conf=
ig*
into an editor and set Printercheck =3D N". It works, but not always if
Turbospool is on.

  It seems easy to change the text color ( thanks to Tim, I get
nice dark blue old quotes now ) but I couldn't find how to use the "color=
map"
utility... and the colors are not always accurate on the configuration
panel, so you have to test them everytime.

  A Timiny complained about "white quotes on an off-white/cream backgroun=
d", but I haven't found anything to change either of these. Has he, reall=
y? I wonder if
he hasn't merely swapped some of the system's colours, using the Prefs "p=
alette"...
I did that once, and about any application that opened on the workbench s=
creen started frowning at me. =


*Browsers* : I found V=B3pre4 verrrry slow, and I had to reset several ti=
mes
after it had refused to load Javascripts, arguing there were "errors in s=
cript
on line xxx". I've just installed the brand new IBrowse2 from AFCD 46, an=
d found
it at once much faster, and quite efficient ( tried it on the same suspic=
ious
page, with success )
  Maybe this only depends on some untraceable elements in my configuratio=
n;
hard to tell : the V=B3 installation is so fast that you don't know what
it's putting into your MUI libs drawers ( without warning even "advanced"=

users like you and me ;-))*/this is no double chin, I have to close the/
/brackets./

  Greetings,

  Patrice

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Phon/Fax: +32.2.223 02 94

Hiya Ken

On 17-Oct-99, you wrote about "[afb] linking amiga"

>KW    I'm thinking of linking my 2 machines both A1200 was thinking of
>KW using ParNet any tips will help. I've a cable attached to both Par'
>KW ports

Use Pronet, now freeware and a trillion times better than Parnet.

Cheerio
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> 
> > ever since i got my 240MHz 603e PPC and 040 i`ve had trouble with
some
> > games..
> >
> > With Xtreme Racing the game runs fine untill the race begins and
then
> > the screen freezes but the race still goes on (i can hear the cars
> > driving around) the same sort of problem happends with F1GP,
> 
> What happens with F1GP, exactly?  Are you using F1GP-Ed 3.44?  If not,
> download it from http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/F1GP-Ed/ and it will
> hopefully get F1GP working with your new piece of hardware.  If not,
> then you may have some kind of hardware problem...

jeez voyager makes a mess of displaying the egroups messages :( 
anyway..

well the game runs fine thru all the menu`s but when entering the
cockpit of the car i either get a black screen or the race starts for
a few seconds and then freezes.

i`ve tried installing the memory patches etc in f1gp-ed 3.36 but that
dont work :(

> > slam tilt
> 
> What happens with Slam Tilt?  Does it appear to work, until you
> press a key and find that it doesn't want to know?

the game works fine for a few seconds but then freezes while
playing...i can press Esc key and it says at the top..do u want to
restart continue or quit but pressing a key doesn`t do anything.

> Do you, per chance, have a buffered IDE interface installed in your
> A1200?  If so, which sort, and where from?

yes....i have one from blittersoft with IDEfix97

> > disabling my 040 fixes the problem but that means that i have to
have
> > crap resolution and ditherded graphics on Xtreme racing :(
> 
> You will probably need to disable the VBR.  Try EmbedderII from
Aminet.

ok i`ll go and download it now...thx

bye
leki

Hi Everybody,

> My brother-in-law has just bought a s/h A1200 as his first one went u/s=
=2E
> =

> I installed the 3.5" HDD and Magnum (Apollo) Turbo 1230 acellerator boa=
rd over
> to the second unit and now cannot bootup as the screen turns yellow and=
 stops.
> =

> Replacing the board with an 8mb ram board worked OK so I assume  the Ma=
gnun is
> not compatible with the unit.
> =

> The motherboard is a rev. 1.1 model. Can it be rectified to accept the =
Magnum
> board?

   I doubt that: the 1D1 is, I think, the most stable mb revision. The ye=
llow screen means there is a CPU error. I used to get that with my old 04=
0 accellerator sometimes.  I sugest you try these things:

   Make sure the accellerator is plugged in nice and tight, as well as an=
ything else thats plugged into it..

   Try it in someone elses A1200, yours or the board may be broken.

   Try someone elses PSU, yours may be underpowered.   =


See ya :)
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/       ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
More collect calls are placed on Father's Day than any other day of the y=
ear.
--The Miscellanea Digest

Hi Everybody,

> Me thinks that you need to check my website, for the picture of my
> Wooden Amiga (Woody), to understand the double entendre.

   Y'know, talking about wooden electronics, part of my TV's case is made=
 of chipboard, maybe it and woody are related?  :)


See ya :)
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 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as he was given a frontal lobotomy.

Hello Dave

> Hiya Ken
> 
> On 17-Oct-99, you wrote about "[afb] linking amiga"
> 
>> KW    I'm thinking of linking my 2 machines both A1200 was thinking of
>> KW using ParNet any tips will help. I've a cable attached to both Par'
>> KW ports
> 
> Use Pronet, now freeware and a trillion times better than Parnet.

do I need special cable or any that links both Par' ports also which is easier
to use ParNet or ProNet the link will be about 8ft 

can I use like Workbench using GUI or just shell

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

MARRISR said, 

>> You blithely state that it's a demo version, not having seen the thing,
>> when people that have actually used OS3.5 keep saying it's not.

>> What part of "IT'S NOT A DEMO" do you find hard to understand?

> So what's the difference between a demo version and a cut down version? 
> Bugger all - so let's not split hairs over it, eh Neil?

A demo times out, whgich is unacceptable in an Os. The SpecialEditions
don't.

>> MacOS8 comes with Netscape 3., would you really call that fully
>> functional in a way that AWebSE isn't?

> As you quite rightly pointed out, I haven't seen AWebSE so can't comment. 
> But at least I know Netscape is useable.

NS3 is severely limited compared with modern offerings.


Neil
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Hi James

On 16-Oct-99, you wrote:


> This is assuming I correctly understand what the point of AF is :/
> 
> And you cannot deny that it *is* unimaginative.

I'd direct more of those ideals towards PC Format - they ALWAYS have a
woman on the front of _every single_ cover... As do T3 and Stuff...

Since she's not sexy (IMO), I don't regard having a female on the cover
as a sexist act, especially since the previous cover had a man dressed
up on it.

Anyway, look what sort of things you find in women's magazines - scary
by comparison! ;->

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
Eventually, you must pay for your sins. Exact change, please.

Hi Patrice

On 16-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> This is the real world, try living in it will you?
> 
>  Don't agree; living in the real world means buying a PC. One of the
> late French mags devoted to our machine was called AmigaDream :-) or
> <:-( as you like.

You've missed the point - read the subject header. He means PC as in
Politically Correct... Luckily you're from France, where it probably
doesn't exist... ;->

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
"Bother," said Pooh, as Piglet got medieval on his ass.

>  Since that was no joke, instead of shouting it from the rooftops,
maybe
> you could tell me IF YOU WANT IT OR NOT so that I can start burning
the CD
> and see if it's o.k. for installing. I don't really have much time at
the
> moment ( though some might think I spend hours sitting at my desk
studying
> Matthew O'Neill's complete works.)
> 


Sorry Patrice, but I did send 2 messages 2 u (to your private mail),
but I guess
something went wrong.

So here's my first message:
What will it cost me (in FF, I can get them here)

2nd message

Maarten Draijer
Reuzenhoek 53
4543 ND Reuzenhoek
Pays-Bass

Thanx
Maarten

  Hello, Maarten!

> Sorry Patrice, but I did send 2 messages 2 u (to your private mail),
> but I guess something went wrong.
 =

  Oops! Sorry too... my email appears on top of my messages <pmchamp@club=
-internet.fr> but for some reason it's truncated if you read the AFB mail=
 from your browser ( they've missed my p, if I dare say! )

> So here's my first message:
> What will it cost me (in FF, I can get them here)

  Nothing, of course; I'm no longer a starving student. If you like, I'll=
 tell you how much a blank CD and the postage have cost me... but the mai=
n thing is that I'm not sure the installation works, and I'd like to test=
 it first ( don't worry, I'll send it even if I fail! ) so as to be able =
to translate the main instructions.
> =

> 2nd message ( address )

  Thanks; written this down with good old ink and paper; I'll save a note=
 in
the Amiga to remember where I've put the paper :-)

  Bye!  =


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Mon. 13-19, Tues. -> Sat. 11-19, until 10 Nov. 1999
Phon/Fax: +32.2.223 02 94

Does anyone know where I can get the SCSI module for the Apollo
1240? I'm sick of the amount of CPU time my Classic Squirrel uses
up when is acesses my CD-Rom.

Hiya Frost

On 17-Oct-99, you wrote about "[afb] Re: the new issue"

>F Since she's not sexy (IMO), I don't regard having a female on the cover
>F as a sexist act, especially since the previous cover had a man dressed
>F up on it.

Hmmmm.  I think she is "sexy".  She portrays a certain degree of
intelligence combined with sexual awareness.  Sexy ~= beauty.  I
reckon she has both.

Of course none of this means anything.  I'd have bought the mag
even if it had a tractor on the cover.


Cheerio
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Hi,
Im thinking of purchasing an A4 scanner and ScanQuix4 bundle.
It is possible to get a scanner working from the Amiga's parallel
port, or do I have to go SCSI.
Thanks
Mattie

Hard drive problem.

A friend of mine got a Hitatchi 2gig 2.5" hd, which I can partition
properly into a 100mb and two 9xx mb chunks.  However, formatting it
with either Workbench, MyFormat, Format64 or anything else results in
one 4mb partition and 2 at approximately 20mb.  What is going on?  I've
tried using the latest FastFileSystem and upgrading everything to be
>4gig compliant, but to no avail.  Help!

Secondly, a PPC query:

I ordered an 040/25 with a 603/160 from Eyetech.  Is there any chance
it will ever be delivered, or have phase 5 completely stopped
production?

Thirdly, a CD-ROM problem:

The same friend has a x2 speed Zappo CD-ROM (PCMCIA) and has lost the
drivers (they were on his old, now dead, hard drive).  Can anyone mail
them to spam_mail250@yahoo.com?  Zappo and Archos (the company that
made it) are concentrating on PC laptops now, and no longer supply them.

Thanks!  Sorry for the long posting.

Ant.

I need some help with this please. Is it a simple case of writing them in
something such as a WP or ED?
<tsb>
 
                            JINKY              
    ***********************************
          Infinitiv A1300 ZII PIV + Conceirto           
                 CTX 15" Trinitron SVGA                        
       GI-Quatro - HD - CD-ROM - Atapi ZIP       
              Blizzard 1230IV + FPU + 32MB          
                       Pace 56k (V.90)                  
                   Epson Stylus Photo 700             
    *********************************** 
                                           
"Bother," said Pooh, as someone else stole his taglines.

  
  

> I need some help with this please. Is it a simple case of writing them in
> something such as a WP or ED?

I can't help with that part, (I can't resist this, sorry :) but if you'd like
to add to your collection, my diskmag WOA now contains 56 taglines every issue
(one for every day between issues :)

http://www.trogsoft.co.uk/woa

Neil

On 17-Oct-99 18:07:52 BST, alexi.t wrote:

>> > the screen freezes but the race still goes on (i can hear the cars
>> > driving around) the same sort of problem happends with F1GP,
>> 
>> What happens with F1GP, exactly?  Are you using F1GP-Ed 3.44?  If not,
>> download it from http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/F1GP-Ed/ and it will
>> hopefully get F1GP working with your new piece of hardware.  If not,
>> then you may have some kind of hardware problem...

> well the game runs fine thru all the menu`s but when entering the
> cockpit of the car i either get a black screen or the race starts for
> a few seconds and then freezes.

This sounds very familiar - it could easily be mistaken as the
infamous VBR problem.  I would suggest "saving to the binary" with
v3.44 so that the VBR problem is put to rest for good.  However, I
don't think it will help with this particular case...

>> > slam tilt
>> 
>> What happens with Slam Tilt?  Does it appear to work, until you
>> press a key and find that it doesn't want to know?

> the game works fine for a few seconds but then freezes while
> playing...i can press Esc key and it says at the top..do u want to
> restart continue or quit but pressing a key doesn`t do anything.

Whoah - deja vu!  This is exactly the same thing that I experienced
when I swapped my Blizzard 1260 with my new 603e+/240/060.

>> Do you, per chance, have a buffered IDE interface installed in your
>> A1200?  If so, which sort, and where from?

> yes....i have one from blittersoft with IDEfix97

Aha - I'm 99% sure that this will be the problem!  I'll try to keep
this as brief as possible...  I experienced exactly the same problems
as you, and after a lot of testing I traced the source of the problem
down to the buffered IDE interface.  If I removed it and connected my
2.5" HD directly, all the problems disappeared!  The interface originally
came from Eyetech - I'll spare you the details about the hassles I had
them as a result, except that the experience has taught me to steer
well clear of them.

The solution: Power Computing sent me one of their interfaces, which was
a different revision of the same interface (made by DCE).  Swapping this
with my Eyetech Mk4, and all the problems disappeared!  The ironic thing
is that Eyetech claim that this interface should not be used on anything
faster than an 030 - it is the Mk4 that should be used with 040/060, and
it was this version that didn't work!

This first thing I would recommend you to do is to check the following
little webpage that I put together:

  http://www.amigaf1.freeserve.co.uk/ide.html

Compare the 2 photos with your IDE interface - I would guess that you
have first one, right?  Reply this e-mail to me privately, and I'll
try to help you out further (I'll even lend you what I think is a
working interface, to see if it solves the problems in your case).
Note that I know 2 other people who had the same problem as you, and
in both cases, we found the buffered IDE interface to be cause.  So,
that's partly why I'm confident that I can help :)

BTW, which revision is your A1200 motherboard?

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<tsb>

Hello supa_si@hotmail.com ( no, tell me, that can't be your real name!
                            What on earth is Yam doing? )

On 17-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get the SCSI module for the Apollo
> 1240? I'm sick of the amount of CPU time my Classic Squirrel uses
> up when is acesses my CD-Rom.
 =

  Maybe it's a naive suggestion, but have you asked Eyetech?

Regards
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Mon. 13-19, Tues. -> Sat. 11-19, until 10 Nov. 1999
Phon/Fax: +32.2.223 02 94

Hello Dave

On 17-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Hmmmm.  I think she is "sexy".  She portrays a certain degree of
> intelligence combined with sexual awareness.

  Now, I'll try to be serious ( - oh! no, not /again!/ ) about what some =
of us maybe would like to be one of the last comments upon this cover.

  The question is not who /she /is ( probably a professional model, which=
 doesn't mean anything as far as personal qualities are concerned ) but w=
hat the cover
is trying to express. The "schoolteacher" idea would be amusing (?) if it=
 safely remained on the front page, but it starts getting a bit irritatin=
g ( and clumsy, IMHO ) when it's repeated five or six times.

  To tell you the truth, I wouldn't complain if AF was "decorated" with e=
ven
sexier pictures :-); what I think is shocking is the "Why don't you naugh=
ty little boys..." argument; some would even call /that/ pornography, i.e=
=2E smutty understatement
together with bad taste.

  Well, /des go=FBts et des couleurs/... Let's go and have a beer!

  Cheers,

  Patrice

-- =

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Phon/Fax: +32.2.223 02 94

On 16-Oct-99, Paul Cundle wrote:

> What are you on about, Matthew O'Neill?

Good question, maybe it should be in a pub quiz?

>>> I get a purply-blue screen when my EZ-Key is installed but I don't
>>> know what it means.
> 
>> It means your EZ-Key isn't working... ;)

> /Now/ I know why you post to this list so much - it's because you're a
> mine of useful information ;)

a land mine :3)

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

PUNNY BOOK = Winning the Race: Vic Tree.

On 16-Oct-99, Patrice Champarou wrote:

>>> Dunno about that, I'm quite a looker 8D
>> 
>> I was beginning to wonder if anyone would get that joke...

> Don't trust him! He's put his photo on his webpage ;-)

Mwahahahaha. I'll have to get a new one, that "Fonze" one is getting a bit
old. Now where did I put my birthday suit?....

Mash - completely clothed
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the dead.

Hi

Personally the lass from issue 121 really got me going :)

Mash
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                               Matthew O'Neill

Deep-sea divers DO IT under extreme pressure.

On 16-Oct-99, maartend@dds.nl wrote:

> What is the best place or newsgroup for Amiga hardware (I ant to buy a
> 040 or 060)

http://www.amibench.org has new stuff everyday


Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

We don't need child proof lighters. We need a liberal proof Congress.

On 16-Oct-99, Chris Faircloth wrote:

> That seems to be a sacred cow, along with not puting any information in
> the subject line, I got berated about mentioning this, the point I was
> trying to make was e-mail with out ant data in the subject line is the
> electronic equivalent of junk snail mail.

> Maybe it's something to do with living south of the equator;-)

Why are you pointing this at me? My poll had a date, and the subject line
was clear, "16/10/99 - Is Richard Drummond Evil?"

Mash - 
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                               Matthew O'Neill

"All you have to do is live long enough." - Duncan MacLeod

Hi


On 14-Oct-99, eGroups.com Poll Results wrote:

> Subject: [afb] Voting Results: Which computer would you choose?

> 1. Mac            29
> 2. PC            29

/me notes that just before he voted, it was mac:28 pc:29

mwwahahahaha, my fault none of them wins :D


Mash
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                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

      Tumor.................... More than one.

On 14-Oct-99, Richard Drummond wrote:

> So, if your mouths have finally stopped gaping at the bird on the cover,
> what did you think of the new issue?

:|================B)

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 Has a full six-pack but lacks the plastic thing to hold them together.

Hi

I've had a CD drive for quite a while which was free. Only thing is I have
no idea on howfast it is! :P I know that it can shift half a meg a second,
so what speed is that? x2, x4?

Mash
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                               Matthew O'Neill

"The common denominator is blood.  It's all red." -- Hawkeye

> > So what's the difference between a demo version and a cut down
version? 
> > Bugger all - so let's not split hairs over it, eh Neil?
> 
> A demo times out, whgich is unacceptable in an Os

Wait until you try Miami OS 3.5 then <evil grin> :)

Chris.

Hello Matthew,

On 17-Oct-99, you wrote about [afb] cd speeds


> Hi
> 
> I've had a CD drive for quite a while which was free. Only thing is I
> have no idea on howfast it is! :P I know that it can shift half a meg a
> second, so what speed is that? x2, x4?

A 1x CDROM shifts 150k/sec so it's probably a 4x drive (600k/sec)

Bye,

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Hi,

there is not much traffic on this list for a sunday (or is it just me) 1p or
less per min'

See You
-- 
                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

On Sun Oct 17, 

> >> Paul - read the mail before you reply; "can we dispense with this
> <snip>
> > Only because it's an ambiguous statement/question.
> > I read it as the people arguing are being elitist, and he wants the
> > discussion dispensed with. Which is a perfectly acceptable way of
> > reading it, even if that's not how he meant it.
> > I /DID/ read the mail.
> 
> > Paul C, outraged
 
> You wanna relax a little mate - it didn't seem ambiguous to me at all.

Well it didn't to me either until someone (you? can't remember) picked
up on it. BTW, the "outraged" bit was totally unrelated - see afb-ot
for an explanation (or don't as you'll never get out ;)
 
> Snob PleghM

Paul C, with wet slobbering lips
-- 
... Happiness, n:
    An agreeable sensation arising from contemplating the misery of another.

Hi All,

I had found that Voyager2.96.7 and also Voyager3-Pre4,
makes a mess displaying the egroups messages if you
use the correct EGroups Site Address:

http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/32688.html?

But if you use the following Address (changing only
www for pix):

http://pix.egroups.com/group/afb/32688.html?

Egroups Display all Messages OK using Voyager 2.96.7
and the New V3-Pre4.

I really don't know the cause.
Try and you will see!!

All the Best,

Ulises

______________________________________________________

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Patrice Champarou <pmchamp@club-internet.fr>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Monday, 18-Oct-99, 01:39:42
 About:  [afb] Yam'n'all =



Hello Patrice,

>  It seems easy to change the text color ( thanks to Tim, I get nice
> dark blue old quotes now ) but I couldn't find how to use the
> "colormap" utility... and the colors are not always accurate on the
> configuration panel, so you have to test them everytime.

Yep, you need some spare (unused colours in the pallette by other
elements of the GUI) colours to be able to pick one yourself, and the
MUI GUI that you pick it from seems to nick some too.  I had to just
pick the colour I wanted from the sliders (i.e. turn up blue, but not
being able to see a blue chip at the time), and save, then close and
open the program so nothing else grabbed colours from the pallette.

>  A Timiny complained about "white quotes on an off-white/cream
> background", but I haven't found anything to change either of these.
> Has he, really? I wonder if he hasn't merely swapped some of the
> system's colours, using the Prefs "palette"... I did that once, and
> about any application that opened on the workbench screen started
> frowning at me.

I haven't found anyway to individually change the quoted text colour,
it's drawn in the MUI "highlight" colour.  YAM prefs only allow you to
change the colour of the next level (a quote of a quote).

> *Browsers* : I found V=B3pre4 verrrry slow, and I had to reset several
> times after it had refused to load Javascripts, arguing there were
> "errors in script on line xxx".

I've always found Voyager to be useless.  It'll not do a thing when you
try and run it; crash immediately, or shortly afterwards; drag it's
heels terribly while trying to download a page with images; and it
still can't get some very basic, and quite old, HTML codes right.

> I've just installed the brand new IBrowse2 from AFCD 46, and found it
> at once much faster, and quite efficient =


I was pleasantly surprised at how much faster IBrowse 2.0 was at
rendering graphics on the page.  But it's far too buggy for me to even
contemplate buying.

> ........ the V=B3 installation is so fast that you
> don't know what it's putting into your MUI libs drawers (without
> warning even "advanced" users like you and me .......

This is my all time pet hate.  Installation processes that overwrite
files, often without letting the user intervene, nor checking for
version numbers (which is NOT helped by various different MUI files,
and vapor libraries, STUPIDLY having the same version numbers when
they're not the same version).

Because of this lousy programming, I usually end up installing programs
by hand, reading the install script myself.  But this is a right
bastard to do, especially if you have to manually patch files for
different processors, and SHOULD NOT be necessary, if these people
would bloody well learn to program properly.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

-- =


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(Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia)
   =

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I want to get an IOBlix for my A1200, but I'm not sure if it'll
function correctly due to me having a 1d4 motherboard. Any suggestions?

Also, will a PowerFlyer fit with the IOBlix AND a Bvision (when it
eventually gets here) connected.

And hey, is this the first post of the day?


Paul

>>> What part of "IT'S NOT A DEMO" do you find hard to understand?

>> So what's the difference between a demo version and a cut down version?
>> Bugger all - so let's not split hairs over it, eh Neil?

> A demo times out, whgich is unacceptable in an Os. The SpecialEditions don't.

But there's no "rule" that says a demo times out - "demo" and "special edition"
can be exactly the same.

RobM

hi,

> I'm still waiting for the full versions to get all the features the average
> user needs....

so what doesnt Miami Deluxe do that the average user needs?

alan

hi,

>   I was expecting some kind of Samantha Fox, and all I can see is a ( nice,
> I admit... young, ok... ) girl dressed up like any of my fellow-teachers 
> ( glasses included! ) 

you know more of these women? :-)

>   The only trouble is that you meet her again ( and again ) all over the
> place!

do we? i wish! I've only seen her in the mag myself... ;-)

alan

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Dave Morgan wrote:

> us what is or isnt good for us. At the end of the day, its all about
> marketing and the reality is that women on the front cover of ANY magazine
> makes it attractive to potential buyers.
> 
> This is the real world, try living in it will you?

I agree - just forget the computer mags for a minute - and have a look
at the womens mags! Cosmo, womans own, elle, etc etc - they all have
women on the cover too! 

alan

>> I'm still waiting for the full versions to get all the features the average
>> user needs....

> so what doesnt Miami Deluxe do that the average user needs?

I think you've gotten the wrong end of the stick Alan - I'm talking about the
amiga browsers.  Name me a browser for the amiga with Java, javascript, and
support for flash and all the other commonly used plugins.  Miami Deluxe gives
you everything you need on the IP side of things, at the cost of $60.  You get
Windoze or MacOS and IP is free.

RobM

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Patrice Champarou wrote:

>   Don't agree; living in the real world means buying a PC. One of the late
> French mags devoted to our machine was called AmigaDream :-) or <:-( as you
> like.

he meant PC as in Political Correctness, not IBM-PC  ;-)

alan

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Ken Walsh wrote:

> the trouble is I don't have a tower to put all this stuff in (graphic card)
> I've been using scsi external stuff on my A1200 for ages. Just to get where I
> am (re-house all my gear in tower) will cost a few quid so thought to hell
> with it just get a faster acc' card. I was going to get a MCC but thats been
> shot down in flames so thought to hell with it get that Blizzard 1260/50 now.

wise choice. i, myself, was interested in getting a better tower...and
maybe this Z4 card. but right now, I have a PPC +BVision etc so it'd be
250 ukp on hardware that does nothing...no point!
 
> One last thing my simm will fit ok in this 1260 (its been ok in my Blizzard
> 1230-III its a single sided EDO 32mb simm, 60ns) 

should do, its only double sided SIMMs that give grief space-wise

alan

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Ken Walsh wrote:

> > i was going to say - get a cable between them and with suitable s/w you
> > can run a network between them so you access a drive on the other
> > machine as if its local
> 
> Is this best with a Par' cable

a PLIP link would be faster than SLIP
 
alan

hi,

> I somehow feel this was aimed at me.....I'll go and get a =A3130 refund f=
or
> imagine shall I? or maybe cancel my netconnect 3 order? I buy software
> which deserves my money, simple as that. 3.5 offers me absolutely nothing=
!,
> you read that right, nothing.

bug fixes, improved support for gfx cards and high end CPU's, improved
native libraries, datatypes, drivers, new system tools and enhanced
system control and analysis.

os3.5 will offer everyone at least *something*

alan

On 16 Oct 1999, Eddie Maddock wrote:

> determined effort to get round any track in Virtual GP without
> crashing... what a brilliant F1 Grand Prix simulation !  (mind you, it
> is bloody hard at first)

well, thats right, its a very good simulator! none of this namby pamby
'you can slam your foot on the gas without spinning'  :-)

alan

hi,

> Roll on the release of the BoXeR, even if I-Win do turn out to be legitimate
> (which I doubt) they are too unreliable to put any faith (let alone money)
> in.

how can people put so much faith into an unknown company??

i-win were supposed to ship Amigas in september...did they? no.

Phase5, on the other hand, have a known 'delay' record...they do ship
their main products..but they get slagged down at any time. likewise
with GPSoft, H&P, etc


alan

hi,

> Is V=B3 more reliable / stable than IB2?

I also bought IB2.1 - and have upgraded it to the 'better' libs etc...
but i've also playde with the V3-pre4 and so far, V is
better...definately more stable!

alan

hi,

> support for flash and all the other commonly used plugins.  Miami Deluxe gives
> you everything you need on the IP side of things, at the cost of $60.  You get
> Windoze or MacOS and IP is free.

..and not as good as Miami Deluxe. 

as for the browser, why harrass H&P over os3.5? Why not harrass Netscape
for not making an Amiga version? I dont see people complaining that
Apple dont write their own browser! Web browsers get outdated in months.
where can this mythical 'do everything' amiga web browser suddenly
appear from? we all know the current Amiga browser levels. If people
supported the efforts (instead of just running the 30min timeout demos
for free) then things may advance a lot quicker.

alan

Hello Matthew

On 15-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> I'm not the one drowning in my own saliva. I was dead set against having
>> a model on the cover in the first place.
> 
> That means you're either;
> 
> a) Impotent in an evil way
> b) Gay in an evil way
> c) Boring in an evil way
> 
> Which is it? And no, you can't just be evil

Evil is entirely sufficient.


Cheers,
Richard

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>> support for flash and all the other commonly used plugins.  Miami Deluxe
gives
>> you everything you need on the IP side of things, at the cost of $60.  You
get
>> Windoze or MacOS and IP is free.

> ..and not as good as Miami Deluxe.

Why?

> as for the browser, why harrass H&P over os3.5? Why not harrass Netscape
> for not making an Amiga version? I dont see people complaining that

...and you expect them to spend time and money writing for a platform which is
*severely* in the minority and no longer manufactured?

> Apple dont write their own browser! Web browsers get outdated in months.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...but MS do.

> where can this mythical 'do everything' amiga web browser suddenly
> appear from? we all know the current Amiga browser levels. If people

You tell me - you're the one saying the Amiga is capble of it.  Why hasn't it
happened?

> supported the efforts (instead of just running the 30min timeout demos
> for free) then things may advance a lot quicker.

If they had the functionality I want then I would!

RobM

> That means you're either;
>
> a) Impotent in an evil way
> b) Gay in an evil way
> c) Boring in an evil way
>
> Which is it? And no, you can't just be evil

Who said this list wasn't mature...?

RobM

> > supported the efforts (instead of just running the 30min timeout demos
> > for free) then things may advance a lot quicker.
> 
> If they had the functionality I want then I would!

Catch 22. Have a nice day.


-- 
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Webmaster, www.vapor.com
reg-au@vapor.com

> > > supported the efforts (instead of just running the 30min timeout demos
> > > for free) then things may advance a lot quicker.
>>
>> If they had the functionality I want then I would!
>
> Catch 22. Have a nice day.

Agreed - so I end up getting a Mac or PC....  :(

RobM

> >> If they had the functionality I want then I would!
> >
> > Catch 22. Have a nice day.
> 
> Agreed - so I end up getting a Mac or PC....  :(

Amazing the lengths some people go to to avoid shareware registrations
:)

Jason
-- 
Clear me for docking, put away the breakables, turn on the landing lights!

>> >> If they had the functionality I want then I would!
>> >
>> > Catch 22. Have a nice day.
>>
>> Agreed - so I end up getting a Mac or PC....  :(

> Amazing the lengths some people go to to avoid shareware registrations
> :)

....amazing the lengths people will go to do have a workable (full java,
shockwave, etc.) system!

RobM

Hello,

> What exacly happened and it "died"??
> I had received mine with a burnt flashrom and they sent it back
> to me after 4 months and they said they checked everything.
> AND when the guarantee expires you can STILL repair the
> board but you pay for the repair and the part needed
>                                     Cheers
>                                          Stryker

I don't know exactly what is wrong with it, but at this moment I am try
to get it tested in someone else's computer to check that it is indeed
dead. It definetly doesn't do anything in my computer though.

If it is even possible to be repaired (presumably it will have to be
sent back to phase5).  Could this not prove to be extraordinarily
expensive and require months of waiting which to be honest I'm not
prepared to put up with?  It took 3 months for the thing to arrive when
I ordered it.

--
Colin Buchanan
Heriot-Watt University

> 
> On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Ken Walsh wrote:
> 
> > > i was going to say - get a cable between them and with suitable
s/w you
> > > can run a network between them so you access a drive on the other
> > > machine as if its local
> > 
> > Is this best with a Par' cable
> 
> a PLIP link would be faster than SLIP
>  
> alan
> 


Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
website and i dont even know why i am looking at it

> I want to get an IOBlix for my A1200, but I'm not sure if it'll
> function correctly due to me having a 1d4 motherboard. Any
suggestions?
> 
> Also, will a PowerFlyer fit with the IOBlix AND a Bvision (when it
> eventually gets here) connected.

Anyone?

> Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
> television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
> by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
> website and i dont even know why i am looking at it
> 

Excuse me? Where the hell did that come from?

Hi Alan,

> > determined effort to get round any track in Virtual GP without
> > crashing... what a brilliant F1 Grand Prix simulation !  (mind you, it
> > is bloody hard at first)
 
> well, thats right, its a very good simulator! none of this namby pamby
> 'you can slam your foot on the gas without spinning'  :-)

That's been one of the threads running through the VirtualGP site in
the last few days  i.e. how realistic the spin is on the car in Paolo
Cattanis game/sim. In fact, people who've been playing it a lot more
than myself reckon the physics of the thing is almost spot on (backed
up by incidents on TV in the current F1 season). Paolos even been
explaining the mathematical formulae he used to get the car to behave
so realistically. The site is a mine of helpful information on how to
get the most out of the game. Anyone interested should pop on over to

http://www.egroups.com/list/virtualgp/info.html

Cheers,

Eddie

fd700990@ntu.ac.uk wrote:

> Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
> television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
> by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
> website and i dont even know why i am looking at it

Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
and tells him what they think of his remarks (as I've just done)

RobM

> 
> 
> fd700990@ntu.ac.uk wrote:
> 
> > Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
> > television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
> > by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
> > website and i dont even know why i am looking at it
> 
> Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to
fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
> and tells him what they think of his remarks (as I've just done)
> 
> RobM

I'm on my way...(carrying a large gun)

>> Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to
fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
>> and tells him what they think of his remarks (as I've just done)
>>
>> RobM

> I'm on my way...(carrying a large gun)

Let's hope it's his *real* address....  I've just looked up his username at
Nottingham Trent Uni - his name's Christopher Morris (not the media-asassin of
Brasseye fame, I hope)

RobM

> Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
> television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
> by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
> website and i dont even know why i am looking at it
 
Look everybody. See the scary man (woman?). This is what using a PC
can do to you. This person clearly fails to grasp the basic laws of
physics, he/she believes I'm typing this message up on thin air, and
he/she also has very few interests to occupy their short time on
this earth with, if they're reduced to writing messages to `pointless
websites'.

An early night for you with a cup of cocoa and who knows, maybe the
pain in your head will go away and you'll be able to function normally
again  :)

My sympathy to you and your family.

Eddie

MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> Let's hope it's his *real* address....  I've just looked up his usernam=
e at
> Nottingham Trent Uni - his name's Christopher Morris (not the media-asa=
ssin
of
> Brasseye fame, I hope)
> =

> RobM

Well, looking at the header of the post confirms (I guess) that he is the=
 real
sender... the X-mailer stuff confuses me, though. Was it sent through the=

eGroups website?

- Jani


____________________________________________________________________
Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm=
ail.netscape.com.

I have an A1200 with Apollo 040 and SCSI-II module plugged onto it and
32 FAST fitted to the board.

I can't seem to get around this "buffer underrun" problem with trying
to burn CDs.  Even in the TEST screen it still comes up with a buffer
underrun error?!?!

Can anyone help me?  I have sent a very long message to Asimware but
maybe someone here might be able to help before I get a reply from them.

I also get errors like this: "SCSI err (6) Cmd 03 Code 01 Qualifier 17"
and others with Code 00 and Qualifier of 00.

Any ideas?  I've spent two days straight trying to work it out.  I've
set the buffers to maximum (32Mb) and still have the problems!
I'm running Kickstart version 39.106  Workbench version 39.29 and MUI
3.8 in background.  I turned off all screen savers & virus checkers.

Richard.

Hi all,

Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch up
on the last two weeks...

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I'm trying to get some air circulating in the loft", 
said Tom fanatically.

>> Let's hope it's his *real* address....  I've just looked up his username at
>> Nottingham Trent Uni - his name's Christopher Morris (not the media-asassin
of
>> Brasseye fame, I hope)
>>
>> RobM

> Well, looking at the header of the post confirms (I guess) that he is the real
> sender... the X-mailer stuff confuses me, though. Was it sent through the
> eGroups website?

I just checked the source for the mail on the website and saw:
Received: from mu.egroups.com
which suggests it was posted at the website rather by mail - so it could be some
 nasty pasty who's given the address of someone he doesn't like...

Rob "time on his hands" M

> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch up
> on the last two weeks...

Welcome back Ben - get yer arse onto afb-movie...

RobM

On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 12:04:09PM +0100, Ben Vost wrote:

> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch up
> on the last two weeks...

Don't bother - it was all crap :)
Welcome back - how was the "Land Of The Rising Sun"?

l8r


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> I just checked the source for the mail on the website and saw:
> Received: from mu.egroups.com
> which suggests it was posted at the website rather by mail - so it could be
some
>  nasty pasty who's given the address of someone he doesn't like...

> Rob "time on his hands" M

...however I've just check the egroups signup procedure and you have to enter a
validation number which gets mailed to the address you've given, so it has to be
his address.  Post away, everyone!!

RobM

Hi Tudor,

>> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch
>> up on the last two weeks...

> Don't bother - it was all crap :)

Well, I got some nice goodies in the post (thanks Eddie and Errol), I got to
see our new issue finally and AmiGactive and read/reply to 500 mails
(notwithstanding the fact that I tried to tell everyone I was on hols...

> Welcome back - how was the "Land Of The Rising Sun"?

Groovy. Slideshow to follow... just put sixty quid's worth of developing
into Boots...

All the best,
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Marks and Spencer, naked, covered with ketchup.

> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch
up
> on the last two weeks...

Woohoo :) To Recap:

People like the cover of AF130, as you might have guessed :)

Neil, at college

Hi Rob,
 
> Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
> and tells him what they think of his remarks (as I've just done)

Just have done :)

Cheers,

Eddie

>> Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to
fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
>> and tells him what they think of his remarks (as I've just done)

> Just have done :)

And if another 700 people do the same mybe he'll think twice about posting inane
giberish to a mailing list....  :))

RobM

> And if another 700 people do the same mybe he'll think twice about
posting inane
> giberish to a mailing list....  :))

800 people, btw :)

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fd700990@ntu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 11:34 AM


> Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
> television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
> by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
> website and i dont even know why i am looking at it

ooooooOOoooooooooh!!!

Get her!

TTFN,

James.

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrice Champarou <pmchamp@club-internet.fr>
Subject: [afb] Re: the new issue


> Well, /des gots et des couleurs/... Let's go and have a beer!

Hooray!

> Cheers,
> Patrice

TTFN,

James.

Hi Ben,

> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch up
> on the last two weeks...

Glad you're back  :)   Found a use for the C3P0 mug yet ? (I reckon
you can just about get half a cup of tea in it)  I take it you had a
fabulous time and you managed to avoid the fallout ?

When you get the time, pop on over to afb-movie and marvel at our
increased membership. It's gone Dr. Who crazy these past few days  :)

*ding*  there goes the bell... it's off to work with me,

Cheers,

Eddie

>> Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
>> television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
>> by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
>> website and i dont even know why i am looking at it

> ooooooOOoooooooooh!!!

> Get her!

Sounds like the scene form Blazing Saddles with the male dancers in the studio
next door - "Come on girls, let's get her!!"
Oops - wrong list!!

RobM

Hi Eddie,

> Glad you're back  :)   Found a use for the C3P0 mug yet ? (I reckon
> you can just about get half a cup of tea in it)  I take it you had a
> fabulous time and you managed to avoid the fallout ?

I did, and I'm now available for any of the Doctor Who spin-off videos as a
"real" two-headed monster. Actually, the Japanese hardly talked about the
"problem" while we were there. I guess that in a country that is regularly
stricken with Earthquakes, they don't worry too much about radiation...

> When you get the time, pop on over to afb-movie and marvel at our
> increased membership. It's gone Dr. Who crazy these past few days  :)

I've seen...

All the best,
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             PGP key available upon request
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> Wait until you try Miami OS 3.5 then <evil grin> :)

and, as said, if this is the case, and the TCPIP stack in the OS has a
timeout, then that is unacceptable (it wont affect me as i'm a reg'ged
Miami user, however, it would be unacceptable)

whats next? CDFS timeout, printer timeout???

alan

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> I've had a CD drive for quite a while which was free. Only thing is I have
> no idea on howfast it is! :P I know that it can shift half a meg a second,
> so what speed is that? x2, x4?

well, a single speed one does 150k/s........

alan

> > ..and not as good as Miami Deluxe.
> 
> Why?

you want me to run through the feature list of Miami Deluxe and compare
it to the Win32 and MacOS stacks??
 
> ...and you expect them to spend time and money writing for a platform which is
> *severely* in the minority and no longer manufactured?

? what sort of argument is that?
 
> > Apple dont write their own browser! Web browsers get outdated in months.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ...but MS do.

sure, and they tried to bundle it with their OS..taking away any
3rd-party competition 

> You tell me - you're the one saying the Amiga is capble of it.  Why hasn't it
> happened?

because the authors arent supported, for a start...and any time anyone
tries to do something for the Amiga platform, they are belittled and
flamed
 
> If they had the functionality I want then I would!

you demand, but dont support. 

Why not just change platforms and have ALL you want today?

alan

> 
> well, a single speed one does 150k/s........
> 

The trouble is, I seem to remember that that figure doesn't just double
every time the speed goes up. My 4x CD drive says it does 300k/sec on it.

Neil

hi,

> Agreed - so I end up getting a Mac or PC....  :(

...but you are the one pressurizing yourself into this situation.

I look at the 'full featured' Netscape 4.6 and I dont see anything that
is *required* by the Amiga browsers to make Web usage any better.

I look at the sites that use Java and Shockwave...i see trashy (but over
500k!!) animated junk with MIDI-style cheese music...none of this
enhances the use of the WWW as far as i'm concerned..i go to web pages
to get info, quickly. waiting a minute just to see a crude animation of
a hand clicking on buttons..what??? i mean, what is the point. Likewise,
Java (and even javascript) , oh goody, little animated buttons and a
scrolling text bar...hey, even a counter! great. loads of trash, no
info. People try to make their pages 'interactive' and most of the time
it fails abysmally... time that people remembered that the web is an
information medium. Better a plain page that gives you the info, than
some over-coloured page that has all the info so deeply tucked within
links that its takes 15 minutes (and 3 shockwave pages) to find the 5
line paragraph you wanted to read.

So, *why* are you in such a rush to get these 'features' in the web
browser?

alan

hi,

> ....amazing the lengths people will go to do have a workable (full java,
> shockwave, etc.) system!

yes, I installed LinuxAPUS on my Amiga. all such 'problems' disappear..
oh, but then reappear when you decide to see what Java, shockwave etc
are like, oh, they do...they do...

alan

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> > Also, will a PowerFlyer fit with the IOBlix AND a Bvision (when it
> > eventually gets here) connected.
> 
> Anyone?

it'll be tight...you might need to use 2 or 3 of the 'spacers' that you
can get for the powerflyer (cheaper to buy them from maplin btw)

alan

> > > ..and not as good as Miami Deluxe.
>>
> > Why?

> you want me to run through the feature list of Miami Deluxe and compare
> it to the Win32 and MacOS stacks??

Well you seem to think you're some sort of expert so yes.

>> ...and you expect them to spend time and money writing for a platform which
is
>> *severely* in the minority and no longer manufactured?

> ? what sort of argument is that?

Eh?  A very good one.  Would you invest time and money in something that appears
dead to most outsiders? (just 'cos we know it isn't matters not - to the world
in general the Amiga is "dead" - I'd love it if it were otherwise, but that's
the way it is)  If so you're a bigger fool than I thought.


> > > Apple dont write their own browser! Web browsers get outdated in months.
>>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> ...but MS do.

> sure, and they tried to bundle it with their OS..taking away any
> 3rd-party competition

Why do you feel you have to keep bringing this up?  MS were up on a monopoly
charge *only* because their OS is supplied with every new PC and therefore they
were trying to corner the browser market.  Amiga's sales would have to be
somewhere near the same size as MS before they'd face that charge.  How many
times do you want me to say it, Alan?  Shall I try it in another language?


>> You tell me - you're the one saying the Amiga is capble of it.  Why hasn't it
>> happened?

> because the authors arent supported, for a start...and any time anyone
> tries to do something for the Amiga platform, they are belittled and
> flamed

Not by me - I've supported the Amiga for neigh on 10 years.

>> If they had the functionality I want then I would!

>you demand, but dont support.

So you'd buy a car that only does 15mph, with the manufacturer promising to
upgrade it if enough other people buy it?  Get real.

>Why not just change platforms and have ALL you want today?

This is what really narks me about a lot of Amiga owners (mainly the teenage
ones, admittedly) - everything's black and white.  I fully intend to buy a
PC/Mac but that doesn't mean I have to ditch my Amiga.  I will use both systems,
each for what they're best at.
I've said this more times than I can be bothered to count...

Rob "sick of immature attitudes" M

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:

> The trouble is, I seem to remember that that figure doesn't just double
> every time the speed goes up. My 4x CD drive says it does 300k/sec on it.

you've obviously got something set to 2x speed then - the old 4x that i
had was able to deliver 600k/s as specced.

alan 

>> Agreed - so I end up getting a Mac or PC....  :(

> ...but you are the one pressurizing yourself into this situation.

> I look at the 'full featured' Netscape 4.6 and I dont see anything that
> is *required* by the Amiga browsers to make Web usage any better.

> I look at the sites that use Java and Shockwave...i see trashy (but over
> 500k!!) animated junk with MIDI-style cheese music...none of this
> enhances the use of the WWW as far as i'm concerned..i go to web pages

Alan - I don't give a monkey's about what concerns you.  *I* want Java.  *I*
want shockwave.  Cheese?  Each to their own, mate.

> to get info, quickly. waiting a minute just to see a crude animation of
> a hand clicking on buttons..what??? i mean, what is the point. Likewise,
> Java (and even javascript) , oh goody, little animated buttons and a
> scrolling text bar...hey, even a counter! great. loads of trash, no

Nice attitude - if you don't like it then it's shit.

<snip>

> So, *why* are you in such a rush to get these 'features' in the web
> browser?

Because it's increasingly getting to the stage where these features are being
used all over the place.  If my browser doesn't support them, I can't use those
sites.  Do you decided what sites to visit on the basis of whether it uses Java
and plugins because your browser doesn't support them?  In that case you're
limiting what you can and can't access - the total oposite of what the internet
is about.

RobM

> > The trouble is, I seem to remember that that figure doesn't just double
> > every time the speed goes up. My 4x CD drive says it does 300k/sec on
it.
> 
> you've obviously got something set to 2x speed then - the old 4x that i
> had was able to deliver 600k/s as specced.

Hmm... There's a sticker on the inside which says "4x, fast 300k/sec".
Don't think there's anything I can change to get it faster. It's as fast as
I need it to be anyhow :)

Neil

Hi MARRISR@uk.ibm.com,


> Why do you feel you have to keep bringing this up? MS were up on a
> monopoly charge *only* because their OS is supplied with every new PC and
> therefore they were trying to corner the browser market. Amiga's sales
> would have to be somewhere near the same size as MS before they'd face
> that charge. How many times do you want me to say it, Alan? Shall I try it

And perhaps when Amiga are selling as many systems, or OS upgrades you can
expect to get a browser for free (or not as the courts decide). Until then,
yes, you do have to pay more to support the Amiga, but them's the breaks...


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I'm back!

Be afraid, be VERY afraid :)

(Ben - have a nice holiday? Did you get
a nice dose of neutron radiation?)

Meow!

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> I'm back!

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Have fun on your nice break, wherever you went? :)

Neil

>> ....amazing the lengths people will go to do have a workable (full java,
>> shockwave, etc.) system!

> yes, I installed LinuxAPUS on my Amiga. all such 'problems' disappear..
> oh, but then reappear when you decide to see what Java, shockwave etc
> are like, oh, they do...they do...

You can run Linux on any hardware - if I wanted Linux I'd buy a cheap second
hand PC and run it as a dedicated system rather than occupy my realtively
expensive Amiga when it could be doing Amiga specific stuff.

RobM

MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> fd700990@ntu.ac.uk wrote:
> 
> > Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
> > television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
> > by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
> > website and i dont even know why i am looking at it
> 
> Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
> and tells him what they think of his remarks (as I've just done)

Maybe someone ought to send him a copy of internot exploiter, or
nuscrape (whichever is bigger) for a platform which he/she/it is not
using?

-curry

>> Why do you feel you have to keep bringing this up? MS were up on a
>> monopoly charge *only* because their OS is supplied with every new PC and
>> therefore they were trying to corner the browser market. Amiga's sales
>> would have to be somewhere near the same size as MS before they'd face
>> that charge. How many times do you want me to say it, Alan? Shall I try it

> And perhaps when Amiga are selling as many systems, or OS upgrades you can
> expect to get a browser for free (or not as the courts decide). Until then,
> yes, you do have to pay more to support the Amiga, but them's the breaks...

I'd *love* to see Amiga in that possition - until then though...

RobM

> > you want me to run through the feature list of Miami Deluxe and compare
> > it to the Win32 and MacOS stacks??
> 
> Well you seem to think you're some sort of expert so yes.

it was a rhetorical question. I think if you go through the features
you'll know what it does that the native win32 and MacOS stacks dont do
(or have) - and why people have to install 3rd party TCPIP additions and
fixes 
  
> Eh?  A very good one.  Would you invest time and money in something that appears
> dead to most outsiders? (just 'cos we know it isn't matters not - to the world
> in general the Amiga is "dead" - I'd love it if it were otherwise, but that's
> the way it is)  If so you're a bigger fool than I thought.

if it was 'dead' there'd be no commercial programs written for it..and
there'd be no active magazines. I dont see how you can argue about the
feature list of os3.5 by stating that it shouldnt be made 

> Why do you feel you have to keep bringing this up?  MS were up on a monopoly
> charge *only* because their OS is supplied with every new PC and therefore they
> were trying to corner the browser market.  Amiga's sales would have to be
> somewhere near the same size as MS before they'd face that charge.  How many

no. a monopoly is a monopoly regardless the size of the complete market.
if practices are put in that inhibit or deny someone else the
opportunity to market a product, then its a monopoly

> times do you want me to say it, Alan?  Shall I try it in another language?

om du vill...
 
> Not by me - I've supported the Amiga for neigh on 10 years.

...but in the browser market?
 
> So you'd buy a car that only does 15mph, with the manufacturer promising to
> upgrade it if enough other people buy it?  Get real.

1) thats not a useable comparison
2) we're discussion *browser* functionality. Shockwave (as realplayer
etc etc ) are 3rd party proprietary systems that work with Netscape and
IE through plugins. The Amiga browser folks have created a plugin system
for their browser...its not THEIR fault that noones supplying the
plugin. do what i do - mail the PC companies asking for plugins..weekly.

> This is what really narks me about a lot of Amiga owners (mainly the teenage
> ones, admittedly) - everything's black and white.  I fully intend to buy a
> PC/Mac but that doesn't mean I have to ditch my Amiga.  I will use both systems,
> each for what they're best at.
> I've said this more times than I can be bothered to count...

oh! and I'm so immature! yeah, right!  You're the one who doesnt see
the situation as it is (and in this case it is black and white). I cant
stand the whining of people who cant see the plain facts. Yes, Amiga
browsers cant do all these fancy features...but its not Netscape or MS's
IE that do...its the 3rd party plugins. we dont have Java either because
Sun have been so generous and kind to us as well. Quit attacking the
Amiga developers and instead get at those folks in the PC sector

alan

> 
> Hmmmm.  I think she is "sexy".  She portrays a certain degree of
> intelligence combined with sexual awareness.  Sexy ~= beauty.  I
> reckon she has both.
> 
> Of course none of this means anything.  I'd have bought the mag
> even if it had a tractor on the cover.

Now *THAT* is kinky.

Regards

Mikey C

Hi M.,

> (Ben - have a nice holiday? Did you get
> a nice dose of neutron radiation?)

I did have a nice holiday, how about you?

All the best,
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...late than never

Hello,

I'm planning on buying a ext. scsi zip 250 drive, but I'm not sure what
software I'll need. I've found mountlists for mac, pc, PFS and FFS on
the aminet but they're only for the Zip 100. Can I just adapt the 100
mountfile (e.g. scale up the highcylinder value) or is there more to it
than that?

	Thomas Cobb

> I'm back!

> Be afraid, be VERY afraid :)

> (Ben - have a nice holiday? Did you get a nice dose of neutron radiation?)

Nice try Sealey - or should I say Vost?
I'm beginning to think Ben *is* Matt Sealey - a character chreated to entertain
afb'ers with his magic flames....
:)

RobM

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> and plugins because your browser doesn't support them?  In that case you're
> limiting what you can and can't access - the total oposite of what the internet
> is about.

1) the internet is the whole system..not just web sites

2) the development of 3rd party proprietary programs is what the
internet is not about. Open standards are there - but companies are all
trying to get into the act of sticking their logos on web pages and
having these platform limited systems in use. 

3) If I cant use a site, i email the web people responsible. quite a few
of them have responded..and several have created the 'low-tech' versions
in response

alan

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:

> Hmm... There's a sticker on the inside which says "4x, fast 300k/sec".
> Don't think there's anything I can change to get it faster. It's as fast as
> I need it to be anyhow :)

if its only 300k/s then its not 4-speed (another case of PC suppliers
duping customers?)

alan

Hi tdc98@doc.ic.ac.uk,

> I'm planning on buying a ext. scsi zip 250 drive, but I'm not sure what
> software I'll need. I've found mountlists for mac, pc, PFS and FFS on
> the aminet but they're only for the Zip 100. Can I just adapt the 100
> mountfile (e.g. scale up the highcylinder value) or is there more to it
> than that?

No, that should be fine (it's what I did), but you do know about the drive's
incredible slowness at reading or writing to Zip100 disks (which you'll
mostly get)?

All the best,
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> You can run Linux on any hardware - if I wanted Linux I'd buy a cheap second
> hand PC and run it as a dedicated system rather than occupy my realtively
> expensive Amiga when it could be doing Amiga specific stuff.

errr, well, i didnt see the point of spending another 500 ukp (the cost
of a half decent PC system) when i could do the job on my Amiga - horses
for courses

alan

>> Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to
fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
>> and tells him what they think of his remarks (as I've just done)

> Maybe someone ought to send him a copy of internot exploiter, or
> nuscrape (whichever is bigger) for a platform which he/she/it is not
> using?

*That* would be funny!
But if we keep it to ordinary mails we can't get accused of spamming him...
after all, we're just replying to the comments *he* posted to us!

RobM

> 
> > Hmmmm.  I think she is "sexy".  She portrays a certain degree of
> > intelligence combined with sexual awareness.  Sexy ~= beauty.  I
> > reckon she has both.

Mmm, yes, I must say I was pleasantly surprised to see a lovely
woman on the front of AF rather than some diseased old guy in a hat,
or some daft logo or other...
 
> > Of course none of this means anything.  I'd have bought the mag
> > even if it had a tractor on the cover.
> 
> Now *THAT* is kinky.

What I want to know is what brand of tractor he's into ;) I'm sure
my brother has a bunch of farm machinery brochures somewhere I can
furnish you all with :)

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> 
> Hi M.,
> 
> > (Ben - have a nice holiday? Did you get
> > a nice dose of neutron radiation?)
> 
> I did have a nice holiday, how about you?

Week 1 was fine. Went out, ate, bought, you
know the sort.

Week 2? I got the fecking flu didn't I! Hows
that for a week off, lying in bed hardly able
to walk anywhere or eat anything, with a numb
mouth (painkillers rule :) and two whining 
cats at the door all day (because I happened
to be home all day, bloody clingy ickle things!)

*sigh* and now I'm back to about 100 fault calls
I have to fax through to some obscure technical
support company so they can bring an engineer
out, and the machines that AREN'T under contract
I have to go and open their dusty innards and get
covered in muck for the sake of a floppy drive.

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Is this a regular feature now, or do we have to suffer
with some lame attempt at cover design (not that Colin
doesn't do a good job :) 

?

I vote we have a blonde next issue :)

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

>> "99% of the time a free ISP is just as good as a pay one "
>> 
>> You're saying there's no effective difference.

> no, theres 1% difference...that translates into various possibilities,
> all against the free ISP.

> 1 in 100 times you get disconnected for no reason
> 1 in 100 times you get a busy signal
> 1 in 100 times the mailserver is down
> 1 in 100 times your WWW pages are inaccessible 

So I get 7.5K/s from Aminet when ytou get 7.425K/s?

There is a much greater difference.

> but there is little difference...but the difference does matter if you
> use the Net very seriously (eg for business), as Tesco say 'Every little
> helps'

My experience of using *many* ISPs is that there is a clear difference
between free ISPs and the netter paid ones.

> People dont generally trust companies that promote themselves as being
> better etc etc - word of mouth does the job :-)

It's a good thing I wasn't doing that then? Notice how I haven't
plugged Wirenet, merely pointed out that a premium subscription ISPs
offers significant advantages, and one disadvantage (the sub). If that
weren't the case, why would people continue to subscribe to them,
individuals as well as businesses?

> (and hey, you *know* I might be on wirenet at some point now) 

Sooner the better, for both of us :)


Neil
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Tim Seifert said, 

> Hello Neil,

>> Do people ever bother to READ posts to this list. How many times has
>> it been stated that the browser and TCP stack WILL NOT be demo
>> versions?

> There have been conflicting reports of how functional the offered
> programs will be, right from the software authors, and on lists like
> these from knowledgable people.

I've been *using* the software for several months.

> Though, whether or not you like to refer to them as demo programs or
> not.  A "limited" version, is a demo.  If you have to pay to get the
> full version, then you ARE using a demo.

Being less full-featured isn't the same as a demo. Many products come in
various levels of specification (cars are a good example). All cost
money, all share core features, but the extra money buys you bells and
whistles.

> The "last" information I had, was that Miami will be time-limited.

The information on Miami has been particularly confusing. But I phoned
Jurgen Haage about this on Tuesday (he's about as authoritative as you
can get on OS3.5) and it's not as you've been told.


Neil
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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

>> I'm still waiting for the full versions to get all the features the average
>> user needs....

> so what doesnt Miami Deluxe do that the average user needs?

Stop him posting garbage to mailing lists :)


Neil
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MARRISR said, 

>> A demo times out, which is unacceptable in an OS. The SpecialEditions
>> don't.

> But there's no "rule" that says a demo times out - "demo" and "special
> edition" can be exactly the same.

AWeb demo times out, AWebSE doesn't.
Miami demo times out, OS3.5 Miami won't.

Do you see it yet?


Neil
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Matthew O'Neill said, 

> I don't give an arse where the money gets divided, you're paying more than
> me. If wirenet offer a free trial I migt give it a go, well Neil?

You want a free subscription *and* free calls?

Sorry, but I want to eat.


Neil
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Matthew O'Neill said, 

>>> The other way round methinks....

>> Well the EZKey-SE/P came first ....

> Well the keyboard certainly wasn't designed to use the adaptor. I think its
> just luck that it works, so they sold it

The keyboard is designed to replace a standard PC keyboard. The adaptor
is designed to take a standard PC keyboard. This sounds like rather more
than luck.


Neil
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Matthew O'Neill said, 

> Hi Neil

>>    Weekend calls: Free via 0800
>>    Evening calls: 50 hours free per month
>>    Daytime calls: Up to 5 hours free per month

> (kyle's mum) "what what what!?"

> Since when have you given 50 hours a month free!!??? If I'd known this I'd
> have joined ages ago!, what do you have to do to get these? As long as I
> don't have to change my phone co then I' might join, is NTL ok?

No it's not :(

The free evening calls are available to any local number, ISP or not,
through a telecom reseller called Euphony. You don't have to change your
telco, as long as you are with BT.

>> All for less than 12 per month?

> well since you've never mentioned this before...

I have, several times over the last six months or so.


Neil
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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

>> *Nothing* is free, the ISP has to generate a revenue stream from
>> somewhere, and a higher revenue stream if they want to provide a
>> quality service.

> when advertising and pay-service features start to enter at full steam,
> then that is the revenue stream....if you want to just connect and get
> email/webbrowse etc you'd get it 100% free.

Not 100%, since you'd be paying to download the adverts.

> Pay-per-view movies the stream down the net to your home machine arent
> too far away..the call will be free...you pay 2.99 for the movie etc etc

This is already available over Digital TV, with no telephone costs for
either party.


Neil
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           way by extensively using the stack instead of a GOTO.

c said, 

>> Has anyone, from U-Net obviously, got that 0800 trial to work?

Why not ask on Wirenet support or u-net.support.amiga? I was away this
weekend, with minimal net access, so I only checked those places.

> Load "Genesis Prefs", click on "Interfaces", (I had only one entry in the
> box btw), highlight the entry, click on "Edit", select "modem" tab, enter
> the 0800 number in the "phone" box, click on "ok", then "save".  This
> should give you another entry called "ppp1", you should now have two
> entries in "Genesis", "ppp - the 0845 & ppp1 - the 0800".  Select "ppp1" in
> "Genesis" and that will dial the 0800 number.

There's an easier way, if you don't mind a slight delay when connecting
during the week. Set both numbers up in the same interface, 0800 first.
during the week the 0800 number will fail so Genesis will dial the
normal number.

Once it goes "live" I'll have a script that checks the time before you
connect and selects the correct number for you. It's currently working
with Genesis but not possible with Miami(Dx).


Neil
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>> > you want me to run through the feature list of Miami Deluxe and compare
>> > it to the Win32 and MacOS stacks??
>>
>> Well you seem to think you're some sort of expert so yes.

> it was a rhetorical question. I think if you go through the features
> you'll know what it does that the native win32 and MacOS stacks dont do
> (or have) - and why people have to install 3rd party TCPIP additions and
> fixes

For the last time - it's the browsers that I'm concerned with.

>> Eh?  A very good one.  Would you invest time and money in something that
appears
>> dead to most outsiders? (just 'cos we know it isn't matters not - to the
world
>> in general the Amiga is "dead" - I'd love it if it were otherwise, but that's
>> the way it is)  If so you're a bigger fool than I thought.

> if it was 'dead' there'd be no commercial programs written for it..and
> there'd be no active magazines. I dont see how you can argue about the
> feature list of os3.5 by stating that it shouldnt be made

What?  Where the chuff did you get that from?  I've *never* said OS3.5 shouldn't
be made - just that it doesn't have what I need.
And magazines - here are car magazines that cater for cars over 50 years old -
that doesn't mean the car is still "alive".  I'm sure AF will go strong for
years (I'll keep buying it until it folds or the Amiga is reborn), catering for
enthusiasts like you, me, and everyone on this list.

>> Why do you feel you have to keep bringing this up?  MS were up on a monopoly
>> charge *only* because their OS is supplied with every new PC and therefore
they
>> were trying to corner the browser market.  Amiga's sales would have to be
>> somewhere near the same size as MS before they'd face that charge.  How many

> no. a monopoly is a monopoly regardless the size of the complete market.
> if practices are put in that inhibit or deny someone else the
> opportunity to market a product, then its a monopoly

No!!  You are monopolizing if you dominate a given market.  MS were (are)
dominating the computer industry and tried monopolising browsers by "using their
market strength to an unfair advantage" (quote).  Amiga has no market strength
ATM, therefore no monopoly could occur.



>> So you'd buy a car that only does 15mph, with the manufacturer promising to
>> upgrade it if enough other people buy it?  Get real.

> 1) thats not a useable comparison
> 2) we're discussion *browser* functionality. Shockwave (as realplayer
> etc etc ) are 3rd party proprietary systems that work with Netscape and
> IE through plugins. The Amiga browser folks have created a plugin system
> for their browser...its not THEIR fault that noones supplying the
> plugin. do what i do - mail the PC companies asking for plugins..weekly.

1.  why?
2.  why not?  You get nothing in this world without asking...
But seriously - I'm not blaming anyone for all I've said - I've merely said
"this is the state of affairs, it doesn't suit me".  Who have I blamed in your
opinion, Alan?



>> This is what really narks me about a lot of Amiga owners (mainly the teenage
>> ones, admittedly) - everything's black and white.  I fully intend to buy a
>> PC/Mac but that doesn't mean I have to ditch my Amiga.  I will use both
systems,
>> each for what they're best at.
>> I've said this more times than I can be bothered to count...

> oh! and I'm so immature! yeah, right!  You're the one who doesnt see
> the situation as it is (and in this case it is black and white). I cant
> stand the whining of people who cant see the plain facts. Yes, Amiga
> browsers cant do all these fancy features...but its not Netscape or MS's
> IE that do...its the 3rd party plugins. we dont have Java either because
> Sun have been so generous and kind to us as well. Quit attacking the
> Amiga developers and instead get at those folks in the PC sector

One more time...  I'm not blaming anyone.  I need certain features, Amiga OS3.5
cannot/will not provide them.  I don't *care* if it's anyone's fault.

Rob "sorry for the length of this mail" M

> 
> c said, 
> 
> >> Has anyone, from U-Net obviously, got that 0800 trial to work?
> 
> Why not ask on Wirenet support or u-net.support.amiga? I was away this
> weekend, with minimal net access, so I only checked those places.

I have had it working fine. Free calls! Megabytes of downloads! Bliss!

(three catches though - they 'reserve the right' to disconnect you after
20 minutes of inactivity, they 'reserver the right' to disconnect you
after 2 hours regardless, and you can only have 200 hours free calls a
year, otherwise they'll disable your account. All no big deal :)
 
> > "Genesis" and that will dial the 0800 number.
> 
> There's an easier way, if you don't mind a slight delay when 

I just have the 0800 in my Miami dial list, and move it up and down
on weekends or weekdays as appropriate. No hassles really, although
having two dialup whatsits with the more advanced stacks might be
useful anyway..

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> 1) the internet is the whole system..not just web sites

The internet is the *sum* of the system.  Subtract from one part, subtract from
the whole.

> 2) the development of 3rd party proprietary programs is what the
> internet is not about. Open standards are there - but companies are all
> trying to get into the act of sticking their logos on web pages and
> having these platform limited systems in use.

...and?

> 3) If I cant use a site, i email the web people responsible. quite a few
> of them have responded..and several have created the 'low-tech' versions
> in response

So because some countriess have an under developed road system (sorry to keep
comparing to cars) we should all stop using our cars?

Sort it out...

RobM

> > But there's no "rule" that says a demo times out - "demo" and "special
> > edition" can be exactly the same.

> AWeb demo times out, AWebSE doesn't.
> Miami demo times out, OS3.5 Miami won't.

> Do you see it yet?

Yes, I see a distiction set out by the creators of those products.  I have
plenty on demos on coverdiscs that don't time out - they are disable in other
ways.

Rob "Time out does not a demo make" M

>> Pay-per-view movies the stream down the net to your home machine arent
>> too far away..the call will be free...you pay 2.99 for the movie etc etc

> This is already available over Digital TV, with no telephone costs for
> either party.

But these have to be viewed when transmitted - this isn't the same as
downloading...

RobM

Alan
I think this has gone far enough...
Pistols at dawn?
:)

RobM
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> > AWeb demo times out, AWebSE doesn't.
> > Miami demo times out, OS3.5 Miami won't.
> 
> > Do you see it yet?
> 
> Yes, I see a distiction set out by the creators of those 
> products.  I have plenty on demos on coverdiscs that don't
> time out - they are disable in other ways.

The products don't have *disabled* features though!

They are limited in functionality with regards to a full
commercial release, but it's like having 'Lite' versions
of applications. They aren't full versions of the app with
bits 'turned off', but full versions of a similar software
designed to fulfil a purpose. That purpose is to do a job,
but with a smaller, more compact featureset.

You don't even know which features aren't there, in fact
I doubt ANYONE actually uses them (and if they do then
they obviously have the full release ANYWAY!)

I've missed half this conversation anyway, so I'll
shut up now :)

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Ben V. wrote in a manner befitting a defrocked monk:

> Well, I got some nice goodies in the post (thanks Eddie and Errol)

We didn't - that was why it was crap :(

<MUSE>
I wish I was an editor of a successful, long running, highly acclaimed
magazine.
</MUSE>

> Groovy. Slideshow to follow... just put sixty quid's worth of developing
> into Boots...

Aaarrgghh! Our faith is broken :(
You mean - you didn't take a digital camera and 100 flashcards :)

l8r

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> They are limited in functionality with regards to a full
> commercial release, but it's like having 'Lite' versions
> of applications. They aren't full versions of the app with
> bits 'turned off', but full versions of a similar software
> designed to fulfil a purpose. That purpose is to do a job,
> but with a smaller, more compact featureset.
<snip>
> I've missed half this conversation anyway, so I'll
> shut up now :)

I was disagreeing with those who said "Demo = times out" - there's a grey area
between demo and limited/special edition software, would you agree?

RobM

Hi All

I've just been forwarded this little song (you may recognize the tune) and
it made me chuckle heartily. I just had to share it.

*** FORWARDED MESSAGE *** 
*** Beginning of forwarded message ***

posted to a London list by Neil Hopcroft:

   She came from DOS, she had a thirst for knowledge,
   She used Windoze at the local college,
   She said "vi" instead of "vee-eye"

   She told me that her libs had loaded,
   I said in that case grab a Jolt Cola,
   She said fine, and then in 30 usecs time, she said

   "I wanna be a Unix admin,
   I wanna do what Unix admins do,
   Wanna sleep() like a Unix admin,
   Wanna sleep() 'cos that's all Unix admins do",
   Well I just checked du,
   And said, I'll see what I can do

   I told her all about SCSI targets,
   I dunno why but I had to start with hardware,
   So it started...there.
   I said, pretend your disk is buggered,
   And she just laughed and said, use a debugger,
   I said yeah, but what if /usr/bin was on there?
   Are you sure...

   You wanna be a Unix admin?
   You wanna view the Unix logfiles with tee,
   Wanna sleep like a Unix admin,
   Wanna sleep with your pager going bleep?
   But she didn't understand,
   She just ran the man command

   Send some mail and watch for top,
   Grow your hair and run a job,
   Smoke some hash and play some Doom,
   Install Linux 'cos it's "kewl",
   Still you'll never get access rights,
   'Cos when you're hacking late at night,
   Running xroach or rwall,
   I can hit L1-A to STOP it all, yeah

   You'll never be a Unix admin,
   You'll never do what Unix admins do,
   Never cry like Unix admins,
   Never watch your vi turn into view,
   And then sync and halt as root,
   Because the system is so screwed.

   'Cos everybody hates a luser,
   Especially one who uses Macs for a laugh,
   And if NT takes off, there'll be a bloodbath

   You will never understand
   How it feels to run your shell
   With no TERM set or CTRL,
   And your process hung in I/O,
   You are confused by all the diffs,
   And if it works at all then you can only wonder why

*** End of forwarded message ***

Cheers,
Rich
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> I've just been forwarded this little song (you may recognize 
> the tune) and it made me chuckle heartily. I just had to
> share it.

/me chuckles heartily. 't has been forwarded round the office :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

  Hello!

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I have an A1200 with Apollo 040 and SCSI-II module plugged onto it and
> 32 FAST fitted to the board.
> 
> I can't seem to get around this "buffer underrun" problem with trying
> to burn CDs.  Even in the TEST screen it still comes up with a buffer
> underrun error?!?!

  Maybe there is a technical answer, but I would try some other software to
see if there are still problems. MakeCD is quite simple and reliable, and
you can actually copy up to eight titles with the demo version.

  Patrice

-- 

Hello Matthew

On 17-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Mwahahahaha. 

  Thought only my brother could laugh like that; lucky you didn't use block
letters :-)

  Patrice

-- 

On 14-Oct-99, Richard Drummond wrote:

>  So, if your mouths have finally stopped gaping at the bird on the cove=
r,
>  what did you think of the new issue?

   All that stuff about secret messages does make me feel younger; it rem=
inds me
of how many times I "customised" my kickstart disk.

   But I didn't really get /what/ the gurus had to sit on in order to med=
itate;
I understood it was a joystick... without the stick, I expect  ;-) =


   Patrice  =

Hello MARRISR@uk.ibm.com

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to
> fd700990@ntu.ac.uk and tells him what they think of his remarks 

  Ahem! Maybe I would, but I'm afraid I've missed the beginning... Tell me
again what you have to do to deserve /that/. 
 
Regards
-- 

> Is this a regular feature now, or do we have to suffer
> with some lame attempt at cover design (not that Colin
> doesn't do a good job :) 
> 
> ?
> 
> I vote we have a blonde next issue :)

As long as it's a female and not Ben Vost or Richard Drummond in drag.
:)

Myself, I prefer brunetes.

Regards

Mikey C

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:13:52 +0200, Tudor Davies wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> Don't bother - it was all crap :)

I came this close: [] to unsubscribing yesterday=2E It's all be
frightfully dull=2E Thank the lord Sealey and Vost are back :)

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> On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:13:52 +0200, Tudor Davies wibbled...
> 
> > Don't bother - it was all crap :)
> 
> I came this close: [] to unsubscribing yesterday. It's all be
> frightfully dull. Thank the lord Sealey and Vost are back :)

Heh :)

You have to admit, this place sucks without me to flame you
all up :)

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University of Leicester 

> Don't bother - it was all crap :)

> I came this close: [] to unsubscribing yesterday. It's all be
> frightfully dull. Thank the lord Sealey and Vost are back :)

How could you ever unsubscribe from the mighty Afb? :) At least it doesn't
use DAMN Onelist like some other groups... I couldn't do without my daily
dose of afb'ism :)

Neil

To fd700990@ntu.ac.uk ( hope it worked :)

  Seur,

Ai amme Frenche andde zerefore dou notte quaitte understande whatte you a=
re
minnig whizz zeese insultingue wordze, butt Ai canne telle you zat zey av=
e
beene muche frauned uponne doune z=E8re at aheffebee.

  Whizz ole off maille beste reggardz

  P.C.  zere maille innichiallz  <<:(

Hi Tudor,

> You mean - you didn't take a digital camera and 100 flashcards :)

The one question that everyone asks when I get out the Canon Ixus to take a
picture is "Is it one of them digital camera jobs, then?". I shout back
(because if they're hard of thinking, they may be hard of hearing too),
"no, it's an APS camera, it's smaller than most credible digital cameras
are, and it takes far less battery power". I probably would have spent
sixty quid on batteries for it if it had been digital anyway...

All the best,
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             PGP key available upon request
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Follow your dream! Unless it's the one where you're on
a plane, with a bomb, demanding to be taken to Luton.

> I am French and therefore do not quite understand what you are
> meaning with these insulting words, but I can tell you that they have
> been much frowned upon down there at afb.

Quite

Neil - translating for his own personal use :)

> I've just been forwarded this little song (you may recognize
> the tune) and it made me chuckle heartily. I just had to
> share it.

Well it's gonna be the most forwarded mail in my office for a week at least....
top work Rich!

RobM

>  Ahem! Maybe I would, but I'm afraid I've missed the beginning... Tell me
> again what you have to do to deserve /that/.

With pleasure.... he posted this:

<post_from_idiot>

> > > i was going to say - get a cable between them and with suitable s/w you
> > > can run a network between them so you access a drive on the other
> > > machine as if its local
> >
> > Is this best with a Par' cable
>
> a PLIP link would be faster than SLIP
>
> alan
>


Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
website and i dont even know why i am looking at it

</post_from_idiot>

active said, 

>> A demo times out, whgich is unacceptable in an Os

> Wait until you try Miami OS 3.5 then <evil grin> :)

I have, and I've spoken to Jurgen about the final version.

PS WMFT?


Neil
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On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 11:45:16AM +0100, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> Can I suggest that everyone on this list replies directly to fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
> and tells him what they think of his remarks (as I've just done)

Or get in touch with postmaster@ntu.ac.uk - the JANET acceptable use
policy states:

9. JANET may not be used for any of the following:

9.1. the creation or transmission (other than for properly supervised and
lawful research purposes) of any offensive, obscene or indecent images,
data or other material, or any data capable of being resolved into obscene
or indecent images or material; 

9.2. the creation or transmission of material which is designed or likely
to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety; 

<snip>

both of which this message falls under. There's therefore grounds for
termination of this person's authorisation to use JANET, which would amuse
me greatly...

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Well, I guess I'm not the only person to have succumbed and bought one, so
what do people think of the new Dreamcast?

I've bought Ready 2 Rumble and Sega Rally, and boy am I impressed! 
However, having just tried the demo disc in my amiga's CD drive, I notice
that I can see a couple of files on there!  I thought Sega had invented
some ace new format so you could get a gig on a CD ... well, that's what
they claimed!  I wonder if you can copy these CD's ... might be worth a
check anyway ...

TTFN,

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

Folks
For anyone interested in *big* hard drives - take a look at:
http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/991015.htm
I can't help being proud of my department!!

RobM
__________________________________________________
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> 9.2. the creation or transmission of material which is designed or likely
> to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety;

...definately comes under "annoyance"!

> both of which this message falls under. There's therefore grounds for
> termination of this person's authorisation to use JANET, which would amuse
> me greatly...

...and quite a few others too.

RobM

On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 01:36:51PM -0700, Mr Sinister wrote:

> Maybe someone ought to send him a copy of internot exploiter, or
> nuscrape (whichever is bigger) for a platform which he/she/it is not
> using?

Note the email address - chances are he's on a nice high-bandwidth
university connection. All the more reason to get him under the JANET AUP
:)

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Hi Kevin,

> I've bought Ready 2 Rumble and Sega Rally, and boy am I impressed! 
> However, having just tried the demo disc in my amiga's CD drive, I notice
> that I can see a couple of files on there!  I thought Sega had invented
> some ace new format so you could get a gig on a CD ... well, that's what
> they claimed!  I wonder if you can copy these CD's ... might be worth a
> check anyway ...

Lots of people claim to be able to do it, but I don't believe anyone's
manged to crack the GD format yet...

All the best,
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             PGP key available upon request
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> Well, I guess I'm not the only person to have succumbed and bought one,
so
> what do people think of the new Dreamcast?

I think many people will have bought them, but I hate all consoles, so I
won't be getting one...

Neil - still at college

On 18 Oct 1999 12:17:59 +0100, Neil Bothwick (neil@wire.net.uk) wrote:
> c said, 
> 
> >> Has anyone, from U-Net obviously, got that 0800 trial to work?
> 
> Why not ask on Wirenet support or u-net.support.amiga? I was away this
> weekend, with minimal net access, so I only checked those places.

I've got it working already - I was chosen last weekend  :-)

All I did was copy my existing Wirenet setup, changed the number, and it
worked!

> > Load "Genesis Prefs", click on "Interfaces", (I had only one entry in the
> > box btw), highlight the entry, click on "Edit", select "modem" tab, enter
> > the 0800 number in the "phone" box, click on "ok", then "save".  This
> > should give you another entry called "ppp1", you should now have two
> > entries in "Genesis", "ppp - the 0845 & ppp1 - the 0800".  Select "ppp1" in
> > "Genesis" and that will dial the 0800 number.
> 
> There's an easier way, if you don't mind a slight delay when connecting
> during the week. Set both numbers up in the same interface, 0800 first.
> during the week the 0800 number will fail so Genesis will dial the
> normal number.

I never got that to work properly before ...
 
> Once it goes "live" I'll have a script that checks the time before you
> connect and selects the correct number for you. It's currently working
> with Genesis but not possible with Miami(Dx).

Oooh, I'd love a copy of that please, Neil!  Also, if anyone knows how to
get Genesis to ask if you want to reconnect after the 2 hour cut-off comes
into effect, please tell me!  I tried but it don't wanna work for me  :-(

Kev

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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:33:27 +0100, Sealey, M=2E wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> You have to admit, this place sucks without me to flame you
> all up :)

We don't /have/ to admit it; we don't want you getting too big for
your sandals :)

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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:31:25 +0100, Neil Bullock wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> How could you ever unsubscribe from the mighty Afb? :)=20

Because there's not been anything worth reading properly recently :(
You probably wouldn't believe me if I said that there's been some more
fun threads going on in alt=2Edigitiser than here; a few of us spent
around seven days trying to convince someone that the PC was dying as
a games machine=2E I think we won, because he's just started replying by
going 'Blah'=2E Hurrah! :)

> At least it doesn't use DAMN Onelist like some other groups

Actually, I hate eGroups with a vengeance because it's messed up my
account on three separate occasions=2E Onelist has never messed anything
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> Actually, I hate eGroups with a vengeance because it's messed up my
> account on three separate occasions. Onelist has never messed anything
> up. And I like that.

Same with me for Onelist. I ****HATE**** it.

Neil

On 18 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> The free evening calls are available to any local number, ISP or not,
> through a telecom reseller called Euphony. You don't have to change your
> telco, as long as you are with BT.

euphony - is this where i dial an extra number in the dialling code? 
please explain the details - as this may accelerate my 'going from free
to pay' process ;-)
 
alan

Hello Sealey, M., on 18-Oct-99 12:31:39 you said about:
  [afb] Bwhahaha! 

>I'm back!

>Be afraid, be VERY afraid :)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Hello Ben Vost, on 18-Oct-99 11:04:09 you said about:
  [afb] The official list randy bloke is back... 

>Hi all,

>Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch up
>on the last two weeks...

Welcome back Ben... :)

Next SWAG meet around Ben's for the slideshow of Japan ;)

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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> One more time...  I'm not blaming anyone.  I need certain features, Amiga OS3.5
> cannot/will not provide them.  I don't *care* if it's anyone's fault.

the features you are asking for shouldnt be in an OS, they are user-land
problems. its up to the companies concerned to write the software for
this job.

alan

hi,

> (three catches though - they 'reserve the right' to disconnect you after
> 20 minutes of inactivity, they 'reserver the right' to disconnect you
> after 2 hours regardless, and you can only have 200 hours free calls a
> year, otherwise they'll disable your account. All no big deal :)

K.M.

what? what? what?!!?

they offer free calls and then put obscene limits like this onto it??
  
alan

hi,

> So because some countriess have an under developed road system (sorry to keep
> comparing to cars) we should all stop using our cars?

once again a car comparison...you have a love for these? 

okay, lets run with this......if the roads all follow the same basic
rules -> 2 lanes, with a solid surface, then ALL cars can run along it.

this is like a good browser running on HTML pages, with extra bells and
whistles

but, if the road builders decide to put large blocks in the road, so
that only the 4x4 drivers can get past, then not all cars can use that
road...much like people writing their pages using only shockwave and
java/javascripts and dodgy HTML extras.. 

its bad practice


alan

On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 03:20:39PM +0100, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> the features you are asking for shouldnt be in an OS, they are user-land
> problems. its up to the companies concerned to write the software for
> this job.

But an OS is user-land...

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> But these have to be viewed when transmitted - this isn't the same as
> downloading...

you cant download the properly streamed formats..you view them as they
download - you can, however, pause them whenever you want :-)

alan

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> I think this has gone far enough...
> Pistols at dawn?
> :)

oh please, grow up!, this is the late 20th century...light sabres!!! :-)

(please take comment with extra smileys :-)  :-) )

alan

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> I was disagreeing with those who said "Demo = times out" - there's a grey area
> between demo and limited/special edition software, would you agree?

umm, no ;-) I class demo software as software that has very obvious
limits.. games with only 1 level, 10 screens etc that come up with text
messages...apps that dont let you save/save settings/load/print etc

Some special edition software i have has more features than the full
original version.

alan

> hi,
> 
> > (three catches though - they 'reserve the right' to 
> > disconnect you after 20 minutes of inactivity, they
> > 'reserve the right' to disconnect you after 2 hours
> > regardless, and you can only have 200 hours free
> > calls a year, otherwise they'll disable your account.
> > All no big deal :)
> 
> K.M.
> 
> what? what? what?!!?

YOu watch too much South Park you do :)

> they offer free calls and then put obscene limits like this onto it??

They aren't obscene limits. The 20 minute activity thing is
a standard ISP thing, some ISP's even do that AND they charge
you for calls! Besides, setting Miami to do an ICMP Ping every
15 minutes solves that.

I have yet to be disconnected after 2 hours, or at least I have
been once (in many many-hour sessions) and that may have been
my dodgy line (it did it with Freeserve on and off, BT have told
me that my local exchange sucks)

And the 200 hours thing is no big deal either. So you only get to
connect for 4 hours every weekend - just cut down slightly :) 

If you imagine that you'll not be on the internet every weekend,
especially as some of those will be when you are abroad, or in
hospital or something..

And 200 hours of free calls pays for TWO WHOLE YEARLY SUBS to
U-Net anyway. I think that's quite good :)

They certainly aren't absurd limits, in fact they are fully
justified given that you are probably guaranteed to connect
every time, have access to all the services, and have BLOODY
FAST access to those services at the same time. Try THAT with
Freenetnames (www.thewibble.co.uk is down I see :) or
Freeserve..

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

funny..very  8-)

(forwarded to several people and printed)

alan

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:57:08 +0100,  (MARRISR@uk.ibm.com) wrote:
> 
> 
> Folks
> For anyone interested in *big* hard drives - take a look at:
> http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/991015.htm
> I can't help being proud of my department!!

Sorry, for a minute there I thought it said 73.4Gb ...   ;-)

Kev

PS  So, how long would it take to fill a 73Gb drive with afb posts?

-- 
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 michael.carrillo@ukonline.co.uk wrote:

> As long as it's a female and not Ben Vost or Richard Drummond in drag.
> :)

ahh! so it was *you* at last years Future Publishing xmas do then? 8-)

alan

> Freenetnames (www.thewibble.co.uk is down I see :) or

/me has just been to the site. Love the Cooking with Ainsley thingy
:))))))))

Neil

> (forwarded to several people and printed)
> 

same here :) sent to the network administrators...

Neil

> > I was disagreeing with those who said "Demo = times out" - 
> > there's a grey area between demo and limited/special
> > edition software, would you agree?
> 
> umm, no ;-) I class demo software as software that has very obvious
> limits.. games with only 1 level, 10 screens etc that come up 
> with text messages...apps that dont let you save/save settings
> load/print etc

Miami and AWeb don't have those kinds of restrictions - in fact they
have NO restricitons with regards to use, but I'll doubt they have
such 'advanced' features such as IP-NAT  and 'Spoof as Mozilla'
respectively, as they are pretty much not-needed funtions. Miami OS3.5
is certainly more feature-rich than the original Miami, and AWebSE
is certainly better for being optimised for Reactor GUIs now rather
than older (yet.. the same :) ClassAct ones.

> Some special edition software i have has more features than the full
> original version.

And your point is? Miami and AWeb, while not being the most feature
rich of their respective product lines, are just as capable as ANY
product out on the market. Miami will connect up to the net and AWeb
will browse on it.

What more do you want? Blood? Sacrifice? 

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

On 18 Oct 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:

> Well, I guess I'm not the only person to have succumbed and bought one, so
> what do people think of the new Dreamcast?

havent got one...though the new sonic games looks good.
 
> they claimed!  I wonder if you can copy these CD's ... might be worth a
> check anyway ...

hmmm..i'm sure console unit sales will go up if they could be...

alan

> > Freenetnames (www.thewibble.co.uk is down I see :) or

> /me has just been to the site. Love the Cooking with Ainsley thingy

Huh? I get 'unknown host www.thewibble.co.uk', confirmed downstairs
in networks.

It must be only accessible to other Freenetnames users :)

hi,

i've just received an email from germany stating that Os 3.5 will
be shipped to people who ordered it....tommorrow! (tuesday 19th)

alan

> No, that should be fine (it's what I did), but you do know about the
drive's
> incredible slowness at reading or writing to Zip100 disks (which
you'll
> mostly get)?

Yes, I read the review =).  I was planning on using it for backup as
well as transferring data, and the cost per meg of 250s is less than
for 100s.

	Thomas Cobb

>> So because some countriess have an under developed road system (sorry to keep
>> comparing to cars) we should all stop using our cars?

> once again a car comparison...you have a love for these?

Yup, I *love* cars....

> okay, lets run with this......if the roads all follow the same basic
> rules -> 2 lanes, with a solid surface, then ALL cars can run along it.

OK...

> this is like a good browser running on HTML pages, with extra bells and
> whistles

> but, if the road builders decide to put large blocks in the road, so
> that only the 4x4 drivers can get past, then not all cars can use that
> road...much like people writing their pages using only shockwave and
> java/javascripts and dodgy HTML extras..

No.  The equivalent comparision is the introduction of a new MOT test for the
car - if the car can't live upto the MOT then it can't travel on the road
(though this isn't imposed as a rule/law in the car comparison, as it is with
cars in reality)

> its bad practice

No it aint.

RobM

Hi M.,

> And your point is? Miami and AWeb, while not being the most feature
> rich of their respective product lines, are just as capable as ANY
> product out on the market. Miami will connect up to the net and AWeb
> will browse on it.

Don't forget the built-in email client too...

All the best,
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no-one can ever read my writing...

> Huh? I get 'unknown host www.thewibble.co.uk', confirmed downstairs
> in networks.
> 
> It must be only accessible to other Freenetnames users :)

Maybe it was a fluke and I just got it just before it went down. Although I
can still get to it now (using IE3). I'm at college, so it can't be only
accesible to other FNN dialup users if that's what you meant :)

Neil

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Matthew Garrett wrote:

> But an OS is user-land...

no....user-land is all the programs you run. the OS is what all the
programs that you run use. Workbench is the GUI that the user uses,
sure, but its not user-land.

user-land programs can be 100% deleted without affecting the system.
user-land programs add functionality to the machine, making it perform
other tasks, such as browsing the web, rendering pictures etc.

alan

>> I think this has gone far enough...
>> Pistols at dawn?
>> :)

> oh please, grow up!, this is the late 20th century...light sabres!!! :-)

> (please take comment with extra smileys :-)  :-) )

Alan, you've just redeemed yourself completely in my opinion!!  Star Wars
references are always a winner with me...
Join us on afb-movie if you're a fan (and you can also see what I've been saying
behind your back - trust me, you'll laugh!!)

RobM

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> What more do you want? Blood? Sacrifice? 

i'm not the one complaining - i'm defending these special editions :-)


alan

> > Huh? I get 'unknown host www.thewibble.co.uk', confirmed downstairs
> > in networks.
> > 
> > It must be only accessible to other Freenetnames users :)
> 
> Maybe it was a fluke and I just got it just before it went 
> down. Although I can still get to it now (using IE3). I'm
> at college, so it can't be only accesible to other FNN
> dialup users if that's what you meant :)

Must be a shitty DNS problem then. That`s what you get for
using `free` services :)

With regards to the FNN users thing, maybe they're psychic?

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

On 18 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Once it goes "live" I'll have a script that checks the time before you
> connect and selects the correct number for you. It's currently working
> with Genesis but not possible with Miami(Dx).

  I'm not sure of the Miami save format, but even if it was binary you
could still write a wrapper script that alters the preferences file then
launches Miami.  It's a hack though. 

  Or select the right config file, but then you've got two to maintain.

bye,
  Chris

--

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hi,

> Alan, you've just redeemed yourself completely in my opinion!!  Star Wars
> references are always a winner with me...
> Join us on afb-movie if you're a fan (and you can also see what I've been saying
> behind your back - trust me, you'll laugh!!)

hmm, may have to join the -ot and -movie 

alan

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Chris Andrews wrote:

> On 18 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > Once it goes "live" I'll have a script that checks the time before you
> > connect and selects the correct number for you. It's currently working
> > with Genesis but not possible with Miami(Dx).
> 
>   I'm not sure of the Miami save format, but even if it was binary you
> could still write a wrapper script that alters the preferences file then
> launches Miami.  It's a hack though. 
> 
>   Or select the right config file, but then you've got two to maintain.

I might mail Holger - ask him to add a 'time selector' to Miami. - btw
you can always just add the 0800 number to the top of the Miami 'numbers
to dial' list

alan

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:40:24 +0100, Neil Bullock wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> > Freenetnames (www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk is down I see :) or
> /me has just been to the site=2E Love the Cooking with Ainsley thingy
> :))))))))

Hurrah! Shame the Ainsley thing wasn't mine; it originally appeared in
a slightly different form in alt=2Edigitiser, and I just got the authors
permission to use it=2E

Thanks anyway though :)

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Ben V. wrote in a manner befitting his stature:

> > You mean - you didn't take a digital camera and 100 flashcards :)
> The one question that everyone asks when I get out the Canon Ixus to take a
<snip>
> "no, it's an APS camera, it's smaller than most credible digital cameras

Hear ye, hear ye.... I have one of the Kodak miniature jobbies also - it's
just like it says in the adverts...

And you still can't beat a scan of a photo - no matter what anyone tells you
:)

l8r

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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:32:19 +0100, Sealey, M=2E wibbled=2E=2E=2E

>  (www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk is down I see :)

Is it? Bugger=2E S'pose it'll hide the fact that I haven't got around to
writing anything new for it this week then?

(New update tomorrow people, not that any of you read it of course,
but that's your loss :)

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o Cook=2E=2E=2E

Andy M. wrote like a man possessed:

> Next SWAG meet around Ben's for the slideshow of Japan ;)

Oh no....
"Here's one of me and the missus next to a rocket train"
(insert pretty picture of train and 2 unrecognisable people)
"Here's one of me in front of Mt. Fuji"
(insert picture of pretty mountain and 1 unrecognisable person)
etc
etc

Slides - great for your memories but a sure way to bore the pants of
everyone else alive (similar to showing babyscans to people - I could see my
baby - evryone else thought "funny marks on that photo" and turned away)

ho, hum :)

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Hi Tudor,

> And you still can't beat a scan of a photo - no matter what anyone tell=
s
> you :)

Especially not if you have access to decent scanners like we do here - no=
t
the =A349 pieces of crap that Dixons are selling...

All the best,
-- =

Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If this were a real tag, I'm sure it would be funny.

> (New update tomorrow people, not that any of you read it of course,
> but that's your loss :)

I'll read it :) I always do.

Neil - buggering off home soon. You'll have to wait till 6 for more of my
wisdom :)

Hi Tudor,

>> Next SWAG meet around Ben's for the slideshow of Japan ;)

> Oh no....
> "Here's one of me and the missus next to a rocket train"
> (insert pretty picture of train and 2 unrecognisable people)
> "Here's one of me in front of Mt. Fuji"
> (insert picture of pretty mountain and 1 unrecognisable person)

Oi! Who're you calling unrecognisable?

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Amiga Format - your only alternative is
computing suicide...

> Especially not if you have access to decent scanners like we do here -
not
> the 49 pieces of crap that Dixons are selling...

I hate Dixons anyway. And PC World. And Time. And Tandy. And...

Neil, really going home soon...

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> I might mail Holger - ask him to add a 'time selector' to Miami. - btw
> you can always just add the 0800 number to the top of the Miami 'numbers
> to dial' list

  Yeah, I read Neil's common sense answer too!   But I was simply
suggesting a way not to dial the 0800 number when not neccesary.


bye,
  Chris

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> --
> http://www.legpits.co.uuk/
> 

Don't tell me to type that every time. It used to be correct :)

Neil - nearly ready to go home. Only a few minutes :)

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:48:18 +0100, Sealey, M=2E wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> Must be a shitty DNS problem then=2E That`s what you get for
> using `free` services :)

Heh=2E I should be purchasing a second domain in the next few weeks, so
www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk will just be an alternative; all the hosting will
be done elsewhere, and that domain will just redirect to it=2E

There's some VERY good deals on at the moment :)

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o Cook=2E=2E=2E

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:41:09 +0100, Sealey, M=2E wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> Huh? I get 'unknown host www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk', confirmed downstairs
> in networks=2E
> It must be only accessible to other Freenetnames users :)

I just tested it; it works fine here, and I don't use Freenetname :)
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:
> > Oh no....
> > "Here's one of me and the missus next to a rocket train"
> > (insert pretty picture of train and 2 unrecognisable people)
> > "Here's one of me in front of Mt. Fuji"
> > (insert picture of pretty mountain and 1 unrecognisable person)
> 
> Oi! Who're you calling unrecognisable?

  "Here's David Badiel standing next to...."
  "...and here he is comically holding a ..."

  It can't be Ben, he was taking the photos!  ;)


bye,
  Chris

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Hi Alan

> i've just received an email from germany stating that Os 3.5 will
> be shipped to people who ordered it....tommorrow! (tuesday 19th)

Cool. Did you order direct from H&P rather than a UK supplier?

Chris Green
Technical Editor - Computing
VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> > --
> > http://www.legpits.co.uuk/
> 
> Don't tell me to type that every time. It used to be correct :)

  I have done recently, I took it out of my .sig file after it got sent to
one of the managers here and he wanted to know why I was sending this URL
to him  ;)

  I'll get it sorted soon, alough it's amazing how quickly I can type it
now!


bye,
  Chris

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Ben V. wrote in a manner not-too-unlike Mr. Benn:

> > (insert pretty picture of train and 2 unrecognisable people)
> > (insert picture of pretty mountain and 1 unrecognisable person)
> Oi! Who're you calling unrecognisable?

OK, OK
Maybe *you* are more recognisable than some. :)

I meant that generally, people holiday snaps (esp. slides) are taken so
badly that you cannot make out any details unless it is bigger than an
elephant....and they are normally taken on hideous throw-away cameras that
make anyone look like anyone else due their dire granularity..

But then again, with an Ixus and a beard like that, quality and recognition
should be good :)

PS Did a full beard again last week - back to a goatee now - couldn't be
arsed trying to not look like the pirate from Capt. Pugwash :)

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Hi Tudor,

> I meant that generally, people holiday snaps (esp. slides) are taken so
> badly that you cannot make out any details unless it is bigger than an
> elephant....and they are normally taken on hideous throw-away cameras that
> make anyone look like anyone else due their dire granularity..

Oi! Who're you calling bigger than an elephant, etc., etc...

> PS Did a full beard again last week - back to a goatee now - couldn't be
> arsed trying to not look like the pirate from Capt. Pugwash :)

I've told you before - it'd help if you didn't insist on wearing that big
hoop earring and the eye patch...

All the best,
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:
> Oi! Who're you calling bigger than an elephant, etc., etc...

  Of all the things that Ben could have mutated into, he's gone and turned
into a woman!  ;)  (Hangbags at twenty paces!).

> I've told you before - it'd help if you didn't insist on wearing that big
> hoop earring and the eye patch...

  I think that the wooden leg was taking it too far!  You're not a bouncer
from a nightclub are you Tudor?  They all look like extras from pirate
films!  Especially in the seedier joints.  Not that I'm suggesting
anything here.


bye,
  Chris - Who used look like Jesus when beared.

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Ben V. penned in font XScribble/11.2:

> Oi! Who're you calling bigger than an elephant, etc., etc...

That's it. This is the last time I try and explain myself by email :)
So far this month, I have explained myself into the unenviable position of
being father to 2 Romanian children from a wealthy Countess and being 
responsible for the total debt of Kazakstan to Citibank :)

> > PS Did a full beard again last week - back to a goatee now - couldn't be
> > arsed trying to not look like the pirate from Capt. Pugwash :)
> I've told you before - it'd help if you didn't insist on wearing that big
> hoop earring and the eye patch...

You know - the wife said the same. Then I found her "a couple 'o' chests 'o'
trinkets an'a cutlass" and she shut up :)

l8r
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>  Chris - Who used look like Jesus when beared.

*Everyone* looks like Jesus when bearded!  Well, excluding *some* women...

RobM

On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 03:23:13PM +0000, Chris Andrews wrote:

>   Chris - Who used look like Jesus when beared.

Crumbs - I look like a drunk when I am "beered" :P

l8r

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Rob M penned in a comical manner:

> >  Chris - Who used look like Jesus when beared.
> *Everyone* looks like Jesus when bearded!  Well, excluding *some* women...

You've been hanging around in the labs for too long mate :)

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MARRISR said, 

>>> Pay-per-view movies the stream down the net to your home machine arent
>>> too far away..the call will be free...you pay 2.99 for the movie etc etc

>> This is already available over Digital TV, with no telephone costs for
>> either party.

> But these have to be viewed when transmitted - this isn't the same as
> downloading...

What? you don't have a VCR? :)

Anyway, who wants to pay 2.99 for a movie and have to watch it on a 17"
monitor when there's a nice big TV in front of the nice comfy sofa?


Neil
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tragedy of life is that most people are afraid of the light.

Sealey, M. said, 

> (three catches though - they 'reserve the right' to disconnect you after
> 20 minutes of inactivity, they 'reserver the right' to disconnect you
> after 2 hours regardless, and you can only have 200 hours free calls a
> year, otherwise they'll disable your account. All no big deal :)

Those Terms only apply to the 0800 trial, and shouldn't have been posted
publicly. Everything is subject to change, particularly the time limits.

>> There's an easier way, if you don't mind a slight delay when 

> I just have the 0800 in my Miami dial list, and move it up and down
> on weekends or weekdays as appropriate.

Unless you forget to move it up on Saturday. Best to put it at the top,
but disabled, and enable it sometime on Friday.


Neil
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And all the Borg left was this darn PC Clone...

MARRISR said, 

>> > But there's no "rule" that says a demo times out - "demo" and "special
>> > edition" can be exactly the same.

>> AWeb demo times out, AWebSE doesn't.
>> Miami demo times out, OS3.5 Miami won't.

>> Do you see it yet?

> Yes, I see a distiction set out by the creators of those products.

What? you see the distinction between the demo and special version of
these products? Then you must agree that, as the special versions are
distinct from the demos, there aren't demo versions supplied with OS
3.5.

> I have
> plenty on demos on coverdiscs that don't time out - they are disable in other
> ways.

Which has absolutely no relevance to the specific instance of the
Internet software supplied with OS 3.5. That is what you were talking
about, isn't it?

Looking at the AWeb Demo, AWebSE and AWeb 3.3 that I have installed on
this Amiga, I can see that they are all different. How can you claim
that it is the demo that is supplied with OS 3.5? Unless you have a
different version of OS 3.5 from me.


Neil
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                      to a computer or a programmer.

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Tudor Davies wrote:
> That's it. This is the last time I try and explain myself by email :)

  Email is by far the worst tool to explain anything in.  I've lost count
of the amount of heated, full on, arguements I've had with management over
email.  Something that could have been sorted out in 20 seconds over the
phone.

bye,
  Chris

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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> >  Chris - Who used look like Jesus when beared.
> 
> *Everyone* looks like Jesus when bearded!  Well, excluding *some* women...

  Yeah, but people were coming up to me holding tea towels asking if we
could try and reproduce the shroud of Turin!  ...and I'm not making this
up!

  I shaved mine off after seeing myself on camera (outside Dixons, where
else?)  I wondered who that weird bearded bloke was!


bye,
  Chris

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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Tudor Davies wrote:
> >   Chris - Who used look like Jesus when beared.
> 
> Crumbs - I look like a drunk when I am "beered" :P

  Grisly, Black, Polar or maybe even naked when beared though ;)


bye,
  Chris

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Hi all,

 I was just wondering, now that OS3.5 is (just about) out, will ppl be
selling hard disks with it pre-installed, as is done with 3.1 atm?
Would you get the CD with it, and have the option of getting ROPMS , and
whiat if you don't have a CD drive (though I do)?

just a thought, because I'm planning to get a BIG hd, but i'd need to
install 3.0 first so I can use my CD drive to install 3.5 (unless I use
my old hd, but I'd rather not - its slow and horrible and I want rid of
it so that my nice new shiny hd will be dh0:)

regards
-curry
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>>>> Pay-per-view movies the stream down the net to your home machine arent
>>>> too far away..the call will be free...you pay 2.99 for the movie etc etc

>>> This is already available over Digital TV, with no telephone costs for
>>> either party.

>> But these have to be viewed when transmitted - this isn't the same as
>> downloading...

> What? you don't have a VCR? :)

> Anyway, who wants to pay 2.99 for a movie and have to watch it on a 17"
> monitor when there's a nice big TV in front of the nice comfy sofa?


Oops - looks like I've gotten the wrong end of the stick...
I thought we were talking digital TV services in general - and I meant that an
ideal situation would be for you to be able to order the movie, for it to
download and be stored in your digi-box (connected to your tele in from of the
sofa) and be viewed whenever you're ready.

RobM

>>> Do you see it yet?

>> Yes, I see a distiction set out by the creators of those products.

> What? you see the distinction between the demo and special version of
> these products? Then you must agree that, as the special versions are
> distinct from the demos, there aren't demo versions supplied with OS
> 3.5.

This started because someone said "demo" and special ed" software were
completely different and I said they overlapped.  Yes, it originally started
when discussing OS3.5 but the context of this has now been generalised - I'm
saying the two type of software can overlap a great deal - nothing more.

>> I have
>> plenty on demos on coverdiscs that don't time out - they are disable in other
>> ways.

> Which has absolutely no relevance to the specific instance of the
> Internet software supplied with OS 3.5. That is what you were talking
> about, isn't it?

See above - it *was* what I was talking about, but the context is now of Demo
Vs. Special edition software.  I'm not refering to OS3.5 in any way.

> Looking at the AWeb Demo, AWebSE and AWeb 3.3 that I have installed on
> this Amiga, I can see that they are all different. How can you claim
> that it is the demo that is supplied with OS 3.5? Unless you have a
> different version of OS 3.5 from me.

I haven't.....

RobM

>> *Everyone* looks like Jesus when bearded!  Well, excluding *some* women...

> You've been hanging around in the labs for too long mate :)

You're telling me..... we've got *one* woman working on the testfloor amongst
30-40 blokes - this aint the proffession to meet women in!

RobM

Hello Mattie

On 17-Oct-99, you wrote:

>MW Hi,
>MW Im thinking of purchasing an A4 scanner and ScanQuix4 bundle.
>MW It is possible to get a scanner working from the Amiga's parallel
>MW port, or do I have to go SCSI.
>MW Thanks
>MW Mattie

It is indeed possible to use a scanner from the Amiga's parallel port. I
have an Epson GT6500 connected this way and use the scanning software which
is part of the excellant ImageFX 4. Although this scanner is no longer what
you would call 'at the cutting edge' it is nonetheless still more than
adequate for everthing that I am likely to need it for. I have tried other
more modern scanners (both parallel and scsi) and I have not as yet found
anything to better what I have, although I must admit that the scsi models
are sometimes, but not always, a little quicker.
Because serious (sic) users of other platforms seem to get themselves into
the 'I must have the very latest spec equipment' upgrade path you can
almost always pick up a fairly recent  Epson parallel scanner almost as
cheap as a 'plastic scanning box' would cost you at somewhere like P.C.
World.
It pays to look in the local classifieds.

All the best

Colin

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew O'Neill [mailto:mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 01 October 1999 14:23
> To: afb@egroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: No Subject
> 
> 
> On 30-Sep-99, mws2@leicester.ac.uk wrote:
> 
> Jeeezus, why can no-one on this list take anything with a 
> pinch of salt? why must you all take every word literally!!??

Because you're being an obnoxious git?

> > > Yeah I read the same thing aswell in the networking glossy thing.
> > > Even my BG loving brother laughed at them.
> 
> > What does your brother *do* exactly? Apart from being a 
> > complete twat
> 
> He's the head of computer systems at Whitbread, so you can 
> just shut your own face right now, twat.

Hmm, nice. And has he seen and/or administered Windows 2000 running
in a production environment then?

I bet he hasn't, and therefore has no grounds to laugh.

> > (must run in the family!)
> 
> I make a joke, and in return you make sladerous comments 
> about my family?

Hmm.. you make a joke about the credibility of my job, and I make
a joke about your family. Seems fair. I know less about your family
than I you or your brother do about Windows 2000, which makes it
even more funny IMO. 

I showed this post to my brother and he laughed at you :)

> You and Fool are the 2 most stick up arses I've ever seen on a mailing
> list.

Thankyou, I try my best :)
 
> > 3.11 and a bunch of lame old apps - or worse Windows 95, with no
> > security or safeguards and no hope for the future?
> 
> > Besides, it's not beta software anymore, so it shows just 
> > how much you know.
> 
> Yes it is, that shows how much YOU know. It's not officially 
> called beta anymore, but it is, its still going through major
> changes right now

Err... they froze the feature set like 2 months ago.

>  and isn't available to the public.   It    is    beta

It   is    prerelease    that     is    not     beta.

YOUR definition of beta may be "not available to the public". That
is not the definition that the rest of the software industry work
by, there are many subtle grades..

> > > all those poor students who'll lose their years of work, *sigh*
> 
> > Lose? Bwahahaha! You think we don't keep backups? 
> 
> Good, you'll be needing them. Alot.

I'm just gonna ignore you because you just don't know what you're
talking about.

> > You really are an idiot. I'll tell you what, YOU implement a service
> > based on Windows 2000 and THEN I'll judge you as being qualified 
> > to comment on such a service.
> 
> Thats the whole point. I would never be stupid enough to 
> attempt it. I knowit will go wrong. I've seen it go wrong. 

Yeah, in magazines and in news forums, and on a few insignificant
machines up your brother's arse.

> It will be many months before it becomes stable enough to stay up
> for any length of time

HA! Let me dig out the uptime records for the CFS servers and just
TOTALLY prove you wrong :)

Windows 2000 != NT4. You can't apply generalisations to it, it's just
different. Better. Not PERFECT (I can guarantee there are things to
moan about) but it's certainly suitable for a critical service.

> > No, you can't tell me ANY of that. Next time you criticise something
> > you know jack all about, try doing it where you're not in plain view
> > of the people who DO know all about it.
> 
> You've read the adverts, the leaftlet and the online manuals. 

Used the system, tested the system, installed the system, deployed the
system, looked on in amazement as it all worked first time (and still
is). Yeah, that's right - I was surprised that it worked. As was everybody
here. Shows how wrong we were.

Which just shows how even MORE wrong YOU are.

> It looks nice, it has a large feature list, but as you and all the 
> unfortunate students will soon find out, it'll be hell.

Hasn't been so far. No more hell than any other service. And since
when would you know anyway, not having any experience of a campus
wide computer service beyond printing Word documents from lame
client PCs?

> M$ have never made a stable OS, and they never will. Why start now? 

Because if they don't then Linux and NetBSD will become dominant server
operating systems and Microsoft will lose a lot of money?

> > Would it be good enough to say that we've had no complaints so far?
> 
> prolly been hypnotised by a bug which makes the drives click. 
> they're all
> sat there staring at a blank screen, tapping their feet to 
> the beat of the
> drive. </joke, dont be an uptight arse over it>

Yeah, well, if you like.

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Chris Green wrote:

> Hi Alan
> 
> > i've just received an email from germany stating that Os 3.5 will
> > be shipped to people who ordered it....tommorrow! (tuesday 19th)
> 
> Cool. Did you order direct from H&P rather than a UK supplier?

this is from schatztruhe (...whatever)

alan

On 18 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Anyway, who wants to pay 2.99 for a movie and have to watch it on a 17"
> monitor when there's a nice big TV in front of the nice comfy sofa?

umm, some of us have bigger monitors than TV sets ;-)
 
alan